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They lost a well known case of babri mosque. Evil loose, and history is the evidence.
The only thing that rises it is that we just sit and goof around
if we take action and know that what we are doing is the right thing to do
We will win, its the law of nature, evil always loose
The only thing that rises it is that we just sit and goof around
if we take action and know that what we are doing is the right thing to do
We will win, its the law of nature, evil always loose
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Well, that's the key Johnathan.
Evil always loses in the long term, but the time depends on the "sit and goof around" factor, or as your sig says, "evil triumphs when good men do nothing."
Islam now occupies a sizable chunk of real estate and oppresses a significant percentage of humanity. How much better it would have been had Muhammad been stopped before he could establish a political entity, or had it been confined to a small province in Saudi Arabia.
Here's an interesting piece:
http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/07/why-is-islam-so-successful.html
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Sorry, Roland, wrong Roland. You're not the kuranimal Roland I was thinking of.
I should have read your post before opening my big gob.
Good job putting the beat down on alemcodon!
I should have read your post before opening my big gob.
Good job putting the beat down on alemcodon!
Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:57
That "roland" prick was eaten alive on JihadWatch.
pisslam is only a religion of peace because all the fat, ugly, mentally unstable and libtarded reverts keep screaming how peaceful it is AND because of historical revisionists.
In other words: it's only a ROP if the facts are disregarded and obfuscated.
pisslam is only a religion of peace because all the fat, ugly, mentally unstable and libtarded reverts keep screaming how peaceful it is AND because of historical revisionists.
In other words: it's only a ROP if the facts are disregarded and obfuscated.
Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:52
Islam is not a religion of peace because unlike the founders of Christianity (aka Jesus & his disciples) & Buddhism (Buddha & his disciples) did not spread their faith through terror but through preaching & winning people's heart's.
Saturday, 27 November 2010 07:53
Roland I agree with you on
'... You use gross exaggerations and revisionist history. Throw all the insults you want, it just proves that you really don't know what you're talking about. ' This is especially true of the madrasaa trained students of Islam... the generational brainwashing of hate, fear and violence is so deeply ingrained that putting forth any amount of facts is like banging one's head on a rock... they won't get it.
Not only Islam is 'Not a religion of peace' but
1. it is a religion that teaches violence as a means of dealing with everyday life - just like a bully n a gangster
2. it teaches hypocracy - attacking non-Muslims in the name of Islam but when attacked back.. Islam is in trouble !
2. brings the quality of life down wherever it goes - by stiffling knowledge and preventing education as 'everything is written in Quran' by Mohammad himself, no need to waste time there
3. makes the lands barren wherever it goes - by suffocating the feminine .. women, nature (plants and animals) and creativity of music, dance and fine arts .. no wonder most of the Islamic lands are sad deserts of pain
4. teaches the lowly .. animalistic qualities - lieing, deciet, hate, fear.. n violence to win an argument
5. lacks any spirituality - rather than uplifting humans to be God like saints, Islam makes humans animals.
Nothing in this universe can go up forever and whatever goes up must come down... are the laws of nature.Nusrat Aman on Monday, 10 January 2011 16:14
'... You use gross exaggerations and revisionist history. Throw all the insults you want, it just proves that you really don't know what you're talking about. ' This is especially true of the madrasaa trained students of Islam... the generational brainwashing of hate, fear and violence is so deeply ingrained that putting forth any amount of facts is like banging one's head on a rock... they won't get it.
Not only Islam is 'Not a religion of peace' but
1. it is a religion that teaches violence as a means of dealing with everyday life - just like a bully n a gangster
2. it teaches hypocracy - attacking non-Muslims in the name of Islam but when attacked back.. Islam is in trouble !
2. brings the quality of life down wherever it goes - by stiffling knowledge and preventing education as 'everything is written in Quran' by Mohammad himself, no need to waste time there
3. makes the lands barren wherever it goes - by suffocating the feminine .. women, nature (plants and animals) and creativity of music, dance and fine arts .. no wonder most of the Islamic lands are sad deserts of pain
4. teaches the lowly .. animalistic qualities - lieing, deciet, hate, fear.. n violence to win an argument
5. lacks any spirituality - rather than uplifting humans to be God like saints, Islam makes humans animals.
Nothing in this universe can go up forever and whatever goes up must come down... are the laws of nature.
Nusrat Aman on Monday, 10 January 2011 16:14Islam was a religion of peace during its first 13 years in Mecca while its followers were mostly hidden, worshed hiddenly in private houses. They were so compromising that they accepted Kaaba with 360 pagan gods insidte it. They invited the opponents for reasoning and logical dialogue. No reaction, roits or killing on saying of non-believers that Mohammad is possessed by an evil spirit, he is magic practitioner or narrator of old stories. The only thing bad with them is Power. When they migrated to Madina and got power mischieviously they started killing and forced to exile Jews who gave them shelter from their enemies of Mecca. Without power and sword, Muslims are very good citizens.
Thursday, 25 November 2010 06:29
"It sounds like you clearly have witnessed first hand the atrocities and havoc muslims have created throughout history and modern times...."
Nope, at this period in humanity's existence, time travel is impossible, nor am I an immortal. I've just taken the time to actually open a textbook or two dozen or so to do some research...
Let's just take a close look at what you've stated.
"Like when the greeks were completely destroyed and almost vanished into history by the romans and the mongals,"
What is your point? In the end Roman life was dominated by Greek culture anyways. To top it off, the conversion of the population to Christendom brought Greece (or better later known as the Byzantine Empire) to unparllelled wealth and prosperity. Come to think about it, before the Ottoman Empire came by pillaging, sacking and burning, Byzantine artisans built quite a few of the nicest mosques known to man... Such appreciation the muslims show... By the way, it was the muslims that almost destroyed Greece. Open a history textbook.
"when science was deemed an enemy to mankind by european christians. Or when the original aramaic bible was collected and burned by the romans and death penalties were imposed for owning such blasphemous text?!?!"
Fortunately, or unfortunately (depending on how you see things), The European Renaissance began shortly after the first migration of Greeks after Islam drove them out of their homeland. So science took a bit of time to get in there, but Christendom backed off when the peasants proved that kings couldn't rule.
As for the Romans burning the original Aramaic bible (Which happened about 1200 to 1300 years before the European Renaissance)... Look at what happened... They became the very seat of Christendom. But let's not talk about how islam forbids creative music or art because it's against allah. Or how under shariah law, non-muslims couldn't practice their religions openly without disturbance.
"The Arabs/Muslims in medievil times was the only people to search and collect knowledge from around the world in order to gain knoweldge and maintain and record the advances made by the likes of the greeks and the hindus - and if it wasnt for them, all knoweldge would have vanished."
I see what you did there, you just tried to pass of ignorance as the truth... Nice. I like how you claim that they were “the only people to search and collect knowledge from around the world...” Wow, what a crock. How about “stealing it from other societies they destroyed or raided and claimed it for themselves.” That would be much more accurate. We can honestly believe that statement, because what advancements have the followers of islam contributed to Humanity on their own... NOTHING. But if what you say is true, then what happened to the golden age of islam? Why am I speaking English, French, Spanish, and German but not Arabic or Farsi? Because islam does not allow for freedom of thought or experimentation. “Islamic science” has to take from others or stagnate.
"Scientists were known as scholars by ancient muslims, and the most advanced science, maths, knwoledge in almost every field had been virtually banished from earth if it wasnt for islam and their respect of knowledge. In fact it was muslim scientists that defined the various sciences we all know today into sub catogories."
Almost true, but related to my statement above. If the followers of islam hadn't attempted to destroy everything around it, there wouldn't have been a need to safeguard that knowledge. Heh, again, knowledge that was never islam's to begin with.
"Great islamic scientists as al jazari, who invented the crank shaft, and invented the water mills as well as many other destiny changing inventions who's works have been stolen and accredited elsewhere, sometimes hundreds of years after their deaths."
The crank shaft, nice contribution there. Water mills though? Those were invented in China during the Han Dynasty some 600 years before islam was even conceived my the madman known as mohammad. Please list all these destiny changing inventions that muslims have brought to this world... Just because you claim it was invented by “islamic scholors” doesn't mean it does. If we look away from islamic history (or revisionist history) to actual history, islam (again) hasn't done a whole lot.
"One knowledge centre in baghdad would pay double the weight in gold for ANY book it did not already posses, who else at that time had as much respect for knowledge."
Yep... Again... Pay others to wage war and steal knowledge (and other lovely items like women, livestock... Land...)...
"Muslims were the first to set up public hospitals and schools in order to benefit the whole nation rather than taxing the poor and making the rich richer as was the common idea of the europeans."
Right. Ok, how do I explain this. Hospitals and places of care were set up by ancient cultures in their very places of worship. Long before islam (as you claim) turned it into a national movement. Moreover, I believe it was Christendom, during the First Council of Nicaea around 300 AD that stipulated there be hospitals built in every town that had a cathedral. These hospitals provided care and treatment to the poor and ill. Hmmm... this is what 300 years before islam? Sorry buddy, but muslims had the very same type of doctors that europeans had at that time. And Europeans leaped light years ahead of the nation of islam in medicine after the Renaissance.
"it was europeans that expelled the jews from jeruselum, and when muslims reclaimed it, it became a majority jewish populated city once again, until the next crusade when jews were once again expelled. It was Sula-uddin who ordered the jewish wall to be refound and rebuilt for the jews, when the christians mission was to destroy it, as were alot of their other missions regarding other nations."
First off, Jews were thrown out of their homeland multiple times by various invaders before Europeans. They pretty much scattered themselves across Asia, the middle east and Europe. Their homeland was effectively taken by Arabs which allowed them to live in Dhimmitude. During the Crusades though, those idiot crusaders rounded up the Jews and burned them in their Synagogues. This was horrific, and not at all necessary. They were targeted because they aided the muslims when the Crusaders came. Oh, and on a side note, the Crusades were called because Christian Europe and the Vatican of Rome grew tired of all the islamic invasions. It was a retaliatory response to islamic aggression over a period of 400 years. Yeah, they took their time in responding, but at least they did something.
"I suppose it was the muslims that wiped out the natives, and entire continent of people slaughtered, estimates around 70-100million were killed."
70 to 100 million native American Indians slaughtered? Impressive, but a highly exaggerated number, seeing that there were only “maybe” 30 million in ALL the North, Central and South Americas at the time Columbus made his “discovery”. By the way, it wasn't war that brought their numbers so low, war only accounted for about 5% of their population loss. What nearly killed them off was the fact that their immune systems couldn't handle European diseases. Yes, there were cases of blankets and food being infected with small pox and intentionally distributed. But those accounted for another 5-8% of their population loss. Big numbers for sure, but the natural spread (read: accidental) of disease did the most damage. That number range of 70-100 million is a farce at best.
"Was it the muslims that took slaves across the atlantic and sold them to america as sub human?"
No, it was the Portugese, Spanish and Dutch that did that. Because of money, not religion. Actually, in the 1500's, the (Catholic) Church declared that slavery was basically illegal (much better than the previous declarations from the corrupt Papacy). By the way, most of the slaves purchased in Africa didn't actually land in North America, but much further south.
"Was it the muslims that started ww1 which was responsible for nearly 100milloin deaths."
Other than the Ottoman Empire (the last muslim caliphate) siding with Germany during that period of time, no. But responsibility for death during that war is shared by muslims, no matter how you try to deny it. Oh, again, your numbers are off. Try 65 million deaths, and that's a liberal count including wartime injuries and POW's. Please stop exaggerating the numbers.
"Same for ww2...was it muslims responsbile for those 100million dead?"
Again partly, because “there was considerable sympathy for the Nazis in the Middle East and North Africa. The Grand Mufti in Palestine provoked anti-Jewish and anti British riots even before the War. There was an anti-British coup in Iraq (1941). Anti-British forces gained considerable strength in Iran where the Soviets and British intervened (1941). There was considerable anti-British sentiment in Egypt which was prepared to welcome Rommel and the Afrika Korps with open arms (1942). The Nazis never conquered Egypt, but they did occupy areas with Muslim populations, including Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union. Several Muslim SS units were formed to fight with the Wehremacht. All of these units after the War were accused of committing horrendous atrocities.” - Taken from histclo.com
"Did muslims drop nucealr weapons on japan."
Nope, they did not. But the deaths in Japan from the bombs were a drop in the bucket (165,000 est.)compared to the massacres that occurred in Europe. The bombs were dropped to prevent the allies from outright invading the Japanese islands. In comparison, Russia lost about 14 million CIVILIANS during that war.
"Were muslim responsible for the revolutions in china eacch one responsible for 20-30million deaths."
Again, nope... But that death was pretty much confined to within their own borders and didn't sweep worldwide. By the way, on another side note, China is traditionally isolationalist, they don't seek to conquer. Unlike Islam.
"Was it muslims that implemented communism.marxism in russia and started treating people like objects, another 80-90milloin killed."
I, like any normal freedom loving person despises communism. But like any dictatorship or oppressive government, their excuse is that they were “cracking down” on dissidents.
"Were muslims behind the mongol conquests responsible for nearly 60 million deaths?"
Nope, but I hear that Muslims actually did something right in helping to push them back. Good job, you get a cookie. Oh wait, many of them were converted... Nevermind.
"Which muslim nations were involved in the 'scramble for africa'?"
No, but mulsims inland were still trading slaves during that period of time...
"Everyone knows the facts yet you are so quick to jump and shout muslim persecution."
What facts have you brought forth that proves islam is a religion of peace? NONE!
"Islam means peace"
Islam means submission, not peace.
"and a muslim should show constraint even when you kill our brothers, and today even tho hundreds of thousands of muslims are being killed most muslims in the world have shown constraint from attacking back - that is what the true heart of a muslim should do - because peace comes before anything else."
Please properly identify those that are today killing hundreds of thousands of muslims. Let me do that for you, it's muslims. Yes, mulsims. Islam has the most horrendous track record for treating it's own people. Why do I say that? Because when muslims aren't blaming Jews, Christians, the World for their plights, they turn on themselves. And to avoid that common truth, what do your brothers do? Go back to blaming everyone else. These deaths are occurring because jihadists are hiding in civilian centers and using human shields and if these civilians don't support or allow them to hide in their midst, they (the civies) get bombed by either “the enemy” or the jihadists. In the meantime, Christian churches are being sacked and non-muslims are harassed or killed.
For example, there are barely 500,000 Christians in Iraq today, twenty years ago there were several million. They fled, were killed off or converted to avoid the brutal jizya imposed. Even then, they were better off than those who followed anything other than an Abrahamic faith. They were just killed off or driven out. This is happening all throughout the islamic world (with a few exceptions).
Everytime jews were expelled from/by europe between 1099-1940's it was muslim nations that gave them refuge, EVERYTIME.
Only to be reduced to Dhimmi status. Give refuge, but never returning their lands... Gotcha.
"Everyone knows the facts but for some reason turna blind eye to them, none of the worlds major atrocities were done by muslims, NONE. AND to date, the muslim empires were the only empires in history who were invited into a nation to rule. someone give me figures or facts about which atrocities they commited on a scale anywhere near as big as the ones ive mentioned. The sanctions imposed by USA on iraq were directly responsible for the deaths of over 2million babies under the age of 1. Ive also realised there are many indians here who hate islam....muslims ruled india for over 300yrs and it was the richest nation on earth during this time, where poverty was non existent until the british took over and plundered all the wealth back into UK. Most people today havnt seen the poverty in india, because even india are ashmed to broadcast these images across the world, it wasnt muslims who did that...it was your last ruler..which was who? i bet you guys dnt even know about how churchhill abandonded india before ww2 during famines and droughts...why would you? your too busy listening to fairytales on websites similar to these, making and posting arguements without any facts or figures to back them up, just make random hate filled statements, re-iterating like parrots what the previous one told you."
Just because islam was not directly responsible for STARTING any of the worlds major atrocities, they did participate (Slavery and WW1 just to name a couple) in a few. But the overall influence of islam over the past 1400 years cannot be ignored. The combined death toll Islam has offered to other cultures runs at about 100 million, in expansion, raids / wars, captured slaves, etc.
There is no denial that in India, muslim rule under Akbar “the Great” ushered in a golden age... But by modern(?) muslims he'd be considered an apostate because he did away with the Jizya, and even created a new faith blending islam, Hinduism, Christianity and other faiths. Everyone after him was a complete tool.
And yes, after the British left, India had to rebuild itself. I think it's done nicely, and despite all the bumps and bruises since its independence 1947, it is one of the fastest growing economies in the world... right beside China.
"its so funny, its not even funny, its sad, the comments i read on this website are truly disgraceful - you sound like a bunch of women on their...never mind."
What you have offered is nothing more than misdirection and sugar coated garbage. You can't even be bothered to find reliable numbers. You use gross exaggerations and revisionist history. Throw all the insults you want, it just proves that you really don't know what you're talking about.
Nope, at this period in humanity's existence, time travel is impossible, nor am I an immortal. I've just taken the time to actually open a textbook or two dozen or so to do some research...
Let's just take a close look at what you've stated.
"Like when the greeks were completely destroyed and almost vanished into history by the romans and the mongals,"
What is your point? In the end Roman life was dominated by Greek culture anyways. To top it off, the conversion of the population to Christendom brought Greece (or better later known as the Byzantine Empire) to unparllelled wealth and prosperity. Come to think about it, before the Ottoman Empire came by pillaging, sacking and burning, Byzantine artisans built quite a few of the nicest mosques known to man... Such appreciation the muslims show... By the way, it was the muslims that almost destroyed Greece. Open a history textbook.
"when science was deemed an enemy to mankind by european christians. Or when the original aramaic bible was collected and burned by the romans and death penalties were imposed for owning such blasphemous text?!?!"
Fortunately, or unfortunately (depending on how you see things), The European Renaissance began shortly after the first migration of Greeks after Islam drove them out of their homeland. So science took a bit of time to get in there, but Christendom backed off when the peasants proved that kings couldn't rule.
As for the Romans burning the original Aramaic bible (Which happened about 1200 to 1300 years before the European Renaissance)... Look at what happened... They became the very seat of Christendom. But let's not talk about how islam forbids creative music or art because it's against allah. Or how under shariah law, non-muslims couldn't practice their religions openly without disturbance.
"The Arabs/Muslims in medievil times was the only people to search and collect knowledge from around the world in order to gain knoweldge and maintain and record the advances made by the likes of the greeks and the hindus - and if it wasnt for them, all knoweldge would have vanished."
I see what you did there, you just tried to pass of ignorance as the truth... Nice. I like how you claim that they were “the only people to search and collect knowledge from around the world...” Wow, what a crock. How about “stealing it from other societies they destroyed or raided and claimed it for themselves.” That would be much more accurate. We can honestly believe that statement, because what advancements have the followers of islam contributed to Humanity on their own... NOTHING. But if what you say is true, then what happened to the golden age of islam? Why am I speaking English, French, Spanish, and German but not Arabic or Farsi? Because islam does not allow for freedom of thought or experimentation. “Islamic science” has to take from others or stagnate.
"Scientists were known as scholars by ancient muslims, and the most advanced science, maths, knwoledge in almost every field had been virtually banished from earth if it wasnt for islam and their respect of knowledge. In fact it was muslim scientists that defined the various sciences we all know today into sub catogories."
Almost true, but related to my statement above. If the followers of islam hadn't attempted to destroy everything around it, there wouldn't have been a need to safeguard that knowledge. Heh, again, knowledge that was never islam's to begin with.
"Great islamic scientists as al jazari, who invented the crank shaft, and invented the water mills as well as many other destiny changing inventions who's works have been stolen and accredited elsewhere, sometimes hundreds of years after their deaths."
The crank shaft, nice contribution there. Water mills though? Those were invented in China during the Han Dynasty some 600 years before islam was even conceived my the madman known as mohammad. Please list all these destiny changing inventions that muslims have brought to this world... Just because you claim it was invented by “islamic scholors” doesn't mean it does. If we look away from islamic history (or revisionist history) to actual history, islam (again) hasn't done a whole lot.
"One knowledge centre in baghdad would pay double the weight in gold for ANY book it did not already posses, who else at that time had as much respect for knowledge."
Yep... Again... Pay others to wage war and steal knowledge (and other lovely items like women, livestock... Land...)...
"Muslims were the first to set up public hospitals and schools in order to benefit the whole nation rather than taxing the poor and making the rich richer as was the common idea of the europeans."
Right. Ok, how do I explain this. Hospitals and places of care were set up by ancient cultures in their very places of worship. Long before islam (as you claim) turned it into a national movement. Moreover, I believe it was Christendom, during the First Council of Nicaea around 300 AD that stipulated there be hospitals built in every town that had a cathedral. These hospitals provided care and treatment to the poor and ill. Hmmm... this is what 300 years before islam? Sorry buddy, but muslims had the very same type of doctors that europeans had at that time. And Europeans leaped light years ahead of the nation of islam in medicine after the Renaissance.
"it was europeans that expelled the jews from jeruselum, and when muslims reclaimed it, it became a majority jewish populated city once again, until the next crusade when jews were once again expelled. It was Sula-uddin who ordered the jewish wall to be refound and rebuilt for the jews, when the christians mission was to destroy it, as were alot of their other missions regarding other nations."
First off, Jews were thrown out of their homeland multiple times by various invaders before Europeans. They pretty much scattered themselves across Asia, the middle east and Europe. Their homeland was effectively taken by Arabs which allowed them to live in Dhimmitude. During the Crusades though, those idiot crusaders rounded up the Jews and burned them in their Synagogues. This was horrific, and not at all necessary. They were targeted because they aided the muslims when the Crusaders came. Oh, and on a side note, the Crusades were called because Christian Europe and the Vatican of Rome grew tired of all the islamic invasions. It was a retaliatory response to islamic aggression over a period of 400 years. Yeah, they took their time in responding, but at least they did something.
"I suppose it was the muslims that wiped out the natives, and entire continent of people slaughtered, estimates around 70-100million were killed."
70 to 100 million native American Indians slaughtered? Impressive, but a highly exaggerated number, seeing that there were only “maybe” 30 million in ALL the North, Central and South Americas at the time Columbus made his “discovery”. By the way, it wasn't war that brought their numbers so low, war only accounted for about 5% of their population loss. What nearly killed them off was the fact that their immune systems couldn't handle European diseases. Yes, there were cases of blankets and food being infected with small pox and intentionally distributed. But those accounted for another 5-8% of their population loss. Big numbers for sure, but the natural spread (read: accidental) of disease did the most damage. That number range of 70-100 million is a farce at best.
"Was it the muslims that took slaves across the atlantic and sold them to america as sub human?"
No, it was the Portugese, Spanish and Dutch that did that. Because of money, not religion. Actually, in the 1500's, the (Catholic) Church declared that slavery was basically illegal (much better than the previous declarations from the corrupt Papacy). By the way, most of the slaves purchased in Africa didn't actually land in North America, but much further south.
"Was it the muslims that started ww1 which was responsible for nearly 100milloin deaths."
Other than the Ottoman Empire (the last muslim caliphate) siding with Germany during that period of time, no. But responsibility for death during that war is shared by muslims, no matter how you try to deny it. Oh, again, your numbers are off. Try 65 million deaths, and that's a liberal count including wartime injuries and POW's. Please stop exaggerating the numbers.
"Same for ww2...was it muslims responsbile for those 100million dead?"
Again partly, because “there was considerable sympathy for the Nazis in the Middle East and North Africa. The Grand Mufti in Palestine provoked anti-Jewish and anti British riots even before the War. There was an anti-British coup in Iraq (1941). Anti-British forces gained considerable strength in Iran where the Soviets and British intervened (1941). There was considerable anti-British sentiment in Egypt which was prepared to welcome Rommel and the Afrika Korps with open arms (1942). The Nazis never conquered Egypt, but they did occupy areas with Muslim populations, including Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union. Several Muslim SS units were formed to fight with the Wehremacht. All of these units after the War were accused of committing horrendous atrocities.” - Taken from histclo.com
"Did muslims drop nucealr weapons on japan."
Nope, they did not. But the deaths in Japan from the bombs were a drop in the bucket (165,000 est.)compared to the massacres that occurred in Europe. The bombs were dropped to prevent the allies from outright invading the Japanese islands. In comparison, Russia lost about 14 million CIVILIANS during that war.
"Were muslim responsible for the revolutions in china eacch one responsible for 20-30million deaths."
Again, nope... But that death was pretty much confined to within their own borders and didn't sweep worldwide. By the way, on another side note, China is traditionally isolationalist, they don't seek to conquer. Unlike Islam.
"Was it muslims that implemented communism.marxism in russia and started treating people like objects, another 80-90milloin killed."
I, like any normal freedom loving person despises communism. But like any dictatorship or oppressive government, their excuse is that they were “cracking down” on dissidents.
"Were muslims behind the mongol conquests responsible for nearly 60 million deaths?"
Nope, but I hear that Muslims actually did something right in helping to push them back. Good job, you get a cookie. Oh wait, many of them were converted... Nevermind.
"Which muslim nations were involved in the 'scramble for africa'?"
No, but mulsims inland were still trading slaves during that period of time...
"Everyone knows the facts yet you are so quick to jump and shout muslim persecution."
What facts have you brought forth that proves islam is a religion of peace? NONE!
"Islam means peace"
Islam means submission, not peace.
"and a muslim should show constraint even when you kill our brothers, and today even tho hundreds of thousands of muslims are being killed most muslims in the world have shown constraint from attacking back - that is what the true heart of a muslim should do - because peace comes before anything else."
Please properly identify those that are today killing hundreds of thousands of muslims. Let me do that for you, it's muslims. Yes, mulsims. Islam has the most horrendous track record for treating it's own people. Why do I say that? Because when muslims aren't blaming Jews, Christians, the World for their plights, they turn on themselves. And to avoid that common truth, what do your brothers do? Go back to blaming everyone else. These deaths are occurring because jihadists are hiding in civilian centers and using human shields and if these civilians don't support or allow them to hide in their midst, they (the civies) get bombed by either “the enemy” or the jihadists. In the meantime, Christian churches are being sacked and non-muslims are harassed or killed.
For example, there are barely 500,000 Christians in Iraq today, twenty years ago there were several million. They fled, were killed off or converted to avoid the brutal jizya imposed. Even then, they were better off than those who followed anything other than an Abrahamic faith. They were just killed off or driven out. This is happening all throughout the islamic world (with a few exceptions).
Everytime jews were expelled from/by europe between 1099-1940's it was muslim nations that gave them refuge, EVERYTIME.
Only to be reduced to Dhimmi status. Give refuge, but never returning their lands... Gotcha.
"Everyone knows the facts but for some reason turna blind eye to them, none of the worlds major atrocities were done by muslims, NONE. AND to date, the muslim empires were the only empires in history who were invited into a nation to rule. someone give me figures or facts about which atrocities they commited on a scale anywhere near as big as the ones ive mentioned. The sanctions imposed by USA on iraq were directly responsible for the deaths of over 2million babies under the age of 1. Ive also realised there are many indians here who hate islam....muslims ruled india for over 300yrs and it was the richest nation on earth during this time, where poverty was non existent until the british took over and plundered all the wealth back into UK. Most people today havnt seen the poverty in india, because even india are ashmed to broadcast these images across the world, it wasnt muslims who did that...it was your last ruler..which was who? i bet you guys dnt even know about how churchhill abandonded india before ww2 during famines and droughts...why would you? your too busy listening to fairytales on websites similar to these, making and posting arguements without any facts or figures to back them up, just make random hate filled statements, re-iterating like parrots what the previous one told you."
Just because islam was not directly responsible for STARTING any of the worlds major atrocities, they did participate (Slavery and WW1 just to name a couple) in a few. But the overall influence of islam over the past 1400 years cannot be ignored. The combined death toll Islam has offered to other cultures runs at about 100 million, in expansion, raids / wars, captured slaves, etc.
There is no denial that in India, muslim rule under Akbar “the Great” ushered in a golden age... But by modern(?) muslims he'd be considered an apostate because he did away with the Jizya, and even created a new faith blending islam, Hinduism, Christianity and other faiths. Everyone after him was a complete tool.
And yes, after the British left, India had to rebuild itself. I think it's done nicely, and despite all the bumps and bruises since its independence 1947, it is one of the fastest growing economies in the world... right beside China.
"its so funny, its not even funny, its sad, the comments i read on this website are truly disgraceful - you sound like a bunch of women on their...never mind."
What you have offered is nothing more than misdirection and sugar coated garbage. You can't even be bothered to find reliable numbers. You use gross exaggerations and revisionist history. Throw all the insults you want, it just proves that you really don't know what you're talking about.
Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:44
Hi Roland
It sounds like you clearly have witnessed first hand the atrocities and havoc muslims have created throughout history and modern times....
Like when the greeks were completely destroyed and almost vanished into history by the romans and the mongals, when science was deemed an enemy to mankind by european christians. Or when the original aramaic bible was collected and burned by the romans and death penalties were imposed for owning such blasphemous text?!?!
The Arabs/Muslims in medievil times was the only people to search and collect knowledge from around the world in order to gain knoweldge and maintain and record the advances made by the likes of the greeks and the hindus - and if it wasnt for them, all knoweldge would have vanished.
Scientists were known as scholars by ancient muslims, and the most advanced science, maths, knwoledge in almost every field had been virtually banished from earth if it wasnt for islam and their respect of knowledge. In fact it was muslim scientists that defined the various sciences we all know today into sub catogories.
Great islamic scientists as al jazari, who invented the crank shaft, and invented the water mills as well as many other destiny changing inventions who's works have been stolen and accredited elsewhere, sometimes hundreds of years after their deaths.
One knowledge centre in baghdad would pay double the weight in gold for ANY book it did not already posses, who else at that time had as much respect for knowledge.
Muslims were the first to set up public hospitals and schools in order to benefit the whole nation rather than taxing the poor and making the rich richer as was the common idea of the europeans.
it was europeans that expelled the jews from jeruselum, and when muslims reclaimed it, it became a majority jewish populated city once again, until the next crusade when jews were once again expelled. It was Sula-uddin who ordered the jewish wall to be refound and rebuilt for the jews, when the christians mission was to destroy it, as were alot of their other missions regarding other nations.
I suppose it was the muslims that wiped out the natives, and entire continent of people slaughtered, estimates around 70-100million were killed.
Was it the muslims that took slaves across the atlantic and sold them to america as sub human?
Was it the muslims that started ww1 which was responsible for nearly 100milloin deaths.
Same for ww2...was it muslims responsbile for those 100million dead?
Did muslims drop nucealr weapons on japan.
Were muslim responsible for the revolutions in china eacch one responsible for 20-30million deaths.
Was it muslims that implemented communism.marxism in russia and started treating people like objects, another 80-90milloin killed.
Were muslims behind the mongol conquests responsible for nearly 60 million deaths?
Which muslim nations were involved in the 'scramble for africa'?
Everyone knows the facts yet you are so quick to jump and shout muslim persecution.
Islam means peace and a muslim should show constraint even when you kill our brothers, and today even tho hundreds of thousands of muslims are being killed most muslims in the world have shown constraint from attacking back - that is what the true heart of a muslim should do - because peace comes before anything else.
Everytime jews were expelled from/by europe between 1099-1940's it was muslim nations that gave them refuge, EVERYTIME.
Everyone knows the facts but for some reason turna blind eye to them, none of the worlds major atrocities were done by muslims, NONE. AND to date, the muslim empires were the only empires in history who were invited into a nation to rule.
someone give me figures or facts about which atrocities they commited on a scale anywhere near as big as the ones ive mentioned.
The sanctions imposed by USA on iraq were directly responsible for the deaths of over 2million babies under the age of 1.
Ive also realised there are many indians here who hate islam....muslims ruled india for over 300yrs and it was the richest nation on earth during this time, where poverty was non existent until the british took over and plundered all the wealth back into UK.
Most people today havnt seen the poverty in india, because even india are ashmed to broadcast these images across the world, it wasnt muslims who did that...it was your last ruler..which was who? i bet you guys dnt even know about how churchhill abandonded india before ww2 during famines and droughts...why would you? your too busy listening to fairytales on websites similar to these, making and posting arguements without any facts or figures to back them up, just make random hate filled statements, re-iterating like parrots what the previous one told you.
its so funny, its not even funny, its sad, the comments i read on this website are truly disgraceful - you sound like a bunch of women on their...never mind.
It sounds like you clearly have witnessed first hand the atrocities and havoc muslims have created throughout history and modern times....
Like when the greeks were completely destroyed and almost vanished into history by the romans and the mongals, when science was deemed an enemy to mankind by european christians. Or when the original aramaic bible was collected and burned by the romans and death penalties were imposed for owning such blasphemous text?!?!
The Arabs/Muslims in medievil times was the only people to search and collect knowledge from around the world in order to gain knoweldge and maintain and record the advances made by the likes of the greeks and the hindus - and if it wasnt for them, all knoweldge would have vanished.
Scientists were known as scholars by ancient muslims, and the most advanced science, maths, knwoledge in almost every field had been virtually banished from earth if it wasnt for islam and their respect of knowledge. In fact it was muslim scientists that defined the various sciences we all know today into sub catogories.
Great islamic scientists as al jazari, who invented the crank shaft, and invented the water mills as well as many other destiny changing inventions who's works have been stolen and accredited elsewhere, sometimes hundreds of years after their deaths.
One knowledge centre in baghdad would pay double the weight in gold for ANY book it did not already posses, who else at that time had as much respect for knowledge.
Muslims were the first to set up public hospitals and schools in order to benefit the whole nation rather than taxing the poor and making the rich richer as was the common idea of the europeans.
it was europeans that expelled the jews from jeruselum, and when muslims reclaimed it, it became a majority jewish populated city once again, until the next crusade when jews were once again expelled. It was Sula-uddin who ordered the jewish wall to be refound and rebuilt for the jews, when the christians mission was to destroy it, as were alot of their other missions regarding other nations.
I suppose it was the muslims that wiped out the natives, and entire continent of people slaughtered, estimates around 70-100million were killed.
Was it the muslims that took slaves across the atlantic and sold them to america as sub human?
Was it the muslims that started ww1 which was responsible for nearly 100milloin deaths.
Same for ww2...was it muslims responsbile for those 100million dead?
Did muslims drop nucealr weapons on japan.
Were muslim responsible for the revolutions in china eacch one responsible for 20-30million deaths.
Was it muslims that implemented communism.marxism in russia and started treating people like objects, another 80-90milloin killed.
Were muslims behind the mongol conquests responsible for nearly 60 million deaths?
Which muslim nations were involved in the 'scramble for africa'?
Everyone knows the facts yet you are so quick to jump and shout muslim persecution.
Islam means peace and a muslim should show constraint even when you kill our brothers, and today even tho hundreds of thousands of muslims are being killed most muslims in the world have shown constraint from attacking back - that is what the true heart of a muslim should do - because peace comes before anything else.
Everytime jews were expelled from/by europe between 1099-1940's it was muslim nations that gave them refuge, EVERYTIME.
Everyone knows the facts but for some reason turna blind eye to them, none of the worlds major atrocities were done by muslims, NONE. AND to date, the muslim empires were the only empires in history who were invited into a nation to rule.
someone give me figures or facts about which atrocities they commited on a scale anywhere near as big as the ones ive mentioned.
The sanctions imposed by USA on iraq were directly responsible for the deaths of over 2million babies under the age of 1.
Ive also realised there are many indians here who hate islam....muslims ruled india for over 300yrs and it was the richest nation on earth during this time, where poverty was non existent until the british took over and plundered all the wealth back into UK.
Most people today havnt seen the poverty in india, because even india are ashmed to broadcast these images across the world, it wasnt muslims who did that...it was your last ruler..which was who? i bet you guys dnt even know about how churchhill abandonded india before ww2 during famines and droughts...why would you? your too busy listening to fairytales on websites similar to these, making and posting arguements without any facts or figures to back them up, just make random hate filled statements, re-iterating like parrots what the previous one told you.
its so funny, its not even funny, its sad, the comments i read on this website are truly disgraceful - you sound like a bunch of women on their...never mind.
Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:19
there is no way people can prove Muhammad was NOT mad via logic
Monday, 20 September 2010 23:47
I submit that Islam is not a religion of peace. How many people were beaten, executed, intimidated, ridiculed, harassed and silenced by Islam in the past 1400 years? Too many, that is the answer and using allah as a shield to justify said actions is inexcusable and beyond the pale. Islam teaches one to give up their humanity to be guided by a compass of immorality. For evidence, just google it. Better yet, read the koran. Having a critical mind while reading will reveal one thing.
Islam is out to destroy all the freedoms that we here in the west take for granted. I really can't say anything more on this matter because one really has to see it with their own eyes.
Just look at the Netherlands as an example. "Peaceful muslims" move in and act all nice, but when their numbers grow enough, a switch gets flipped and all of a sudden, homosexuals are kidnapped and killed, women are raped, hate speech fills the air, people of other religions are assaulted verbally and physically...
Or Paris France, how muslims from all over France shuttle to Paris to block off streets to the local population so they can pray! Intimidation tactics.
/puke
There is no way that this vile cult can be considered peaceful.alemcodon on Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:19
Islam is out to destroy all the freedoms that we here in the west take for granted. I really can't say anything more on this matter because one really has to see it with their own eyes.
Just look at the Netherlands as an example. "Peaceful muslims" move in and act all nice, but when their numbers grow enough, a switch gets flipped and all of a sudden, homosexuals are kidnapped and killed, women are raped, hate speech fills the air, people of other religions are assaulted verbally and physically...
Or Paris France, how muslims from all over France shuttle to Paris to block off streets to the local population so they can pray! Intimidation tactics.
/puke
There is no way that this vile cult can be considered peaceful.
alemcodon on Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:19Hi Roland
It sounds like you clearly have witnessed first hand the atrocities and havoc muslims have created throughout history and modern times....
Like when the greeks were completely destroyed and almost vanished into history by the romans and the mongals, when science was deemed an enemy to mankind by european christians. Or when the original aramaic bible was collected and burned by the romans and death penalties were imposed for owning such blasphemous text?!?!
The Arabs/Muslims in medievil times was the only people to search and collect knowledge from around the world in order to gain knoweldge and maintain and record the advances made by the likes of the greeks and the hindus - and if it wasnt for them, all knoweldge would have vanished.
Scientists were known as scholars by ancient muslims, and the most advanced science, maths, knwoledge in almost every field had been virtually banished from earth if it wasnt for islam and their respect of knowledge. In fact it was muslim scientists that defined the various sciences we all know today into sub catogories.
Great islamic scientists as al jazari, who invented the crank shaft, and invented the water mills as well as many other destiny changing inventions who's works have been stolen and accredited elsewhere, sometimes hundreds of years after their deaths.
One knowledge centre in baghdad would pay double the weight in gold for ANY book it did not already posses, who else at that time had as much respect for knowledge.
Muslims were the first to set up public hospitals and schools in order to benefit the whole nation rather than taxing the poor and making the rich richer as was the common idea of the europeans.
it was europeans that expelled the jews from jeruselum, and when muslims reclaimed it, it became a majority jewish populated city once again, until the next crusade when jews were once again expelled. It was Sula-uddin who ordered the jewish wall to be refound and rebuilt for the jews, when the christians mission was to destroy it, as were alot of their other missions regarding other nations.
I suppose it was the muslims that wiped out the natives, and entire continent of people slaughtered, estimates around 70-100million were killed.
Was it the muslims that took slaves across the atlantic and sold them to america as sub human?
Was it the muslims that started ww1 which was responsible for nearly 100milloin deaths.
Same for ww2...was it muslims responsbile for those 100million dead?
Did muslims drop nucealr weapons on japan.
Were muslim responsible for the revolutions in china eacch one responsible for 20-30million deaths.
Was it muslims that implemented communism.marxism in russia and started treating people like objects, another 80-90milloin killed.
Were muslims behind the mongol conquests responsible for nearly 60 million deaths?
Which muslim nations were involved in the 'scramble for africa'?
Everyone knows the facts yet you are so quick to jump and shout muslim persecution.
Islam means peace and a muslim should show constraint even when you kill our brothers, and today even tho hundreds of thousands of muslims are being killed most muslims in the world have shown constraint from attacking back - that is what the true heart of a muslim should do - because peace comes before anything else.
Everytime jews were expelled from/by europe between 1099-1940's it was muslim nations that gave them refuge, EVERYTIME.
Everyone knows the facts but for some reason turna blind eye to them, none of the worlds major atrocities were done by muslims, NONE. AND to date, the muslim empires were the only empires in history who were invited into a nation to rule.
someone give me figures or facts about which atrocities they commited on a scale anywhere near as big as the ones ive mentioned.
The sanctions imposed by USA on iraq were directly responsible for the deaths of over 2million babies under the age of 1.
Ive also realised there are many indians here who hate islam....muslims ruled india for over 300yrs and it was the richest nation on earth during this time, where poverty was non existent until the british took over and plundered all the wealth back into UK.
Most people today havnt seen the poverty in india, because even india are ashmed to broadcast these images across the world, it wasnt muslims who did that...it was your last ruler..which was who? i bet you guys dnt even know about how churchhill abandonded india before ww2 during famines and droughts...why would you? your too busy listening to fairytales on websites similar to these, making and posting arguements without any facts or figures to back them up, just make random hate filled statements, re-iterating like parrots what the previous one told you.
its so funny, its not even funny, its sad, the comments i read on this website are truly disgraceful - you sound like a bunch of women on their...never mind.
Tuesday, 14 September 2010 13:17