I received this information in an email advertisement from PJ Media, so I thought I would post it as a blog entry so that I could link to it for everyone's benefit. Whether Muslim or non-Muslim, secular or religious, these principles are valuable for all.

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A frequent topic that recurs in discussions of Islam and Western Civilization is Samuel P. Huntington's book, The Clash of Civilizations. But this is somewhat of a misnomer because the friction between Islam and the West is really only the same age-old conflict between civilization and barbarianism, or as the classical scholars put it in Latin, humanitas versus barbaritas. Muslims in the comments sections get offended when I put it this way, or if I say they are barbarians or savages. So I thought it might be useful to provide a definition of the terms in order to clarify the conversation. 

Barbarianism is just the absence of, or the opposite of, humanism, so I am here presenting a small article from the work of Dr. L.H. Peer on humanism. As an internationally recognized scholar published in peer-reviewed academic journals, his definition is authoritative, but I would like to add some caveats because there are some differences between technical academic terms and the way they are used in popular speech, and also between the standards applicable to academic rigor and those applicable to the general public.

The Center for the Study of Political Islam has published a new translation of the Quran in Modern English by Bill Warner based on scientific analysis. It is integrated with the history and biography of Muhammed in the Sira and Hadith. He calls it "The Reconstructed Historical Koran". This is more than just presenting the suras in their order of appearance in the history, He has done further processing of the Quran as explained in this section from the Epilogue:

The Methodology of The Simple Koran

The word secular was inserted into the Preamble by the 42nd amendment act of 1976, during emergency. It implies equality of all religions and religious tolerance. India, therefore does not have an official state religion. Every person has the right to preach, practice and propagate any religion they choose. The government must not favor or discriminate against any religion. It must treat all religions with equal respect. All citizens, irrespective of their religious beliefs are equal in the eyes of law. No religious instruction is imparted in government or government-aided schools. Nevertheless, general information about all established world religions is imparted as part of the course in Sociology, without giving any importance to any one religion or the others. The content presents the basic/fundamental information with regards to the fundamental beliefs, social values and main practices and festivals of each established world religions. The Supreme Court in S.R Bommai v. Union of India held that secularism was an integral part of the basic structure of the constitution.
However demand for Uniform civil code is generally perceived as anti-Secular[citation needed] and subsidizing religious schools or pilgrims is generally perceived as promoting secularism in India.
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Why 'o why is uniform civil code anti-secular??
BTW i also think that caste system should be made illegal to practice under the uniform civil code.. shouldn't it?

Blood Lies in root of Islam

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Koran – The Word Of God?

The Qur’an, (Koran) meaning recitation, is the sacred book of Islam. According to Muslim tradition, it was revealed by God to the Prophet Muhammad in separate revelations over the major portion of his life at Mecca and at Medina. The Qur’an was probably compiled as a single volume under the third caliph, Uthman, who appointed a committee (651-52). The internal organization of the Qur’an is somewhat ad hoc. Revelations consisted of verses (ayat) grouped into 114 chapters (surah, plural - suwar).

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Is there a democratic awakening in Egypt?

 

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Absolutely no doubt that the Pope would look upon a Hindu as yourself as an unbeliever fit to be converted albeit in a more benign way compared to the grand Mufti of SA for whom you would definitely be Najas material, a kafir and a mushrik to boot.

The Pope is on the lookout for poor tribals as conversion candiadtes. Hindus like me would be better taken care of by the evangelical-naxal armies of Christ.
Ironically, it's Hindus like me who defend so called "secular" bible thumping Christians like you when the Pope gets possed by the holy spirit

Hindus denounce Pope for being offensive to atheists
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/09/17/hindusdenounce-pope-for-being-offensive-toatheists.html

On this count let me assure you that the pope or the mufti would not differentiate between a Hindu like yourself and a secular like me. In fact profession of secularism in SA is punishable with death, whereas profession of non Islamic religions is generally tolerated if the non Muslim takes care to keep himself invisible.

It's not been a long time when atheists were put to death in christian world too.It's only in Hinduism that we see charvaks(atheists) living happily along with the theists and with the full liberty of mocking the theistic rituals and philosophy.

I read Wendy Doniger because I wanted an academics viewpoint of Hindu history in all its glorious diversity from the heretical Agoras to the purity obsessed Brahmanical class.

Sure , why wouldn't a bible thumper want to read a "psychoanalytical" take on Hinduism and treat it as "authentic history". You would do well to to read other "histories" of psycho-biographies of Muhammad and Jesus to make you more "historically" enlightened.

For lesser mortals like us, we see history and psychoanalysis separately. we also understand that the academics of time travel are not the practices of time travel.
The sanitized RSS & VHP version with their depiction of the Islamic sultans as bigoted rampaging demons and the Hindus as the poor docile victims wasn’t good enough for me.

Read the authentic Persian chronicles where its proudly mentioned how these ghazis plundered , enslaved and massacred Hindus.I hope you don't consider chroniclers like Utbi, Aurangzeb,Timur lung, Abu Faizal as RSS/VHP cadre

Historian (not psychoanalyst historian) Will Durant  was not a  RSS/VHP man. He observed
"The Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the BLOODIEST STORY IN HISTORY, a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without and multiplying from within. "

But i am sure that the Kerala evangelical library would have something to suggest that Aurangzeb was a closet RSS/VHP guy.I wont be surprised if you come up with a psychoanalytic  attestation of  the same

And please feel free to reject my invitation to have a look at that book. Regarding the psychoanalytical takes that you allege, characterize that book, I couldn’t see one single such take in all 799 pages of the book. On the contrary Wendy went to great pains to give verifiable references for each and every historical event she has described. In fact I’d never have known of the existence of the Gudimallam Linga, the oldest worshipped Linga in India if not for this book.
http://anushankarn.blogspot.com/2010/12/around-tirupati-gudimallam-lingam-like.html

This is what happens when you miss the preface or the author's interview.Wendy herself said that it's not authentic history but an alternative perspective on the text  viewed from a psychoanalytic lens

BTW, I am not against Wendy Doniger's right to write garbage against Hinduism.I would be the first to protect her right to do so but I don't read a book which sells psychoanalysis as history.I was disinclined to read the book as i am well aware that psychoanalysis has been long discarded as a pseudo science even in the field of science. The fact that you want to hone your academic skills on the basis of a pseudo science is a fair indication of where you are headed - pastor @stupidseeker.


here's a critique of her book by a scholar of Sanskrit:
here: http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?262511#1.

and here's an academic dissection of Wendy Donigers et al
http://invadingthesacred.com/content/view/13/33/

Regarding your views on religious conversions, in the NE and Goa I can say that the NE people and Goan people I’ve met and who are Christians are very comfortable with their faiths despite knowing that their forefathers were at some point of time non Christian. That being the case it should be nobody’s problem what their religious affiliations are.

why wouldn't the Christians be comfortable since they are the perpetrators of hatred in this case. I am not blaming these Christians for their past nor protesting their being Christians.If they are happy that their forefathers were tortured and raped into Christianity , it's not my moral dilemma . I am blaming the present crop for destroying  temples  in Goa and driving out the hindu tribals to tripura  in NE where they were forced to live in refugee camps.


In fact both these regions have amongst the highest literacy rates in India.

hmm.. this the most drug addited, jobless and violent zones of india too. thank Jesus for these too ..will you?

"Agreed, let’s not take his word as gospel truth. By that yardstick let’s not take anyone’s words as gospel truth, including yours or mine or that of the Gita, Koran or the Bible. Let this be the starting point for this debate."

Fair enough!

"Again I don’t know what your yardsticks are to determine what constitutes maligning Hinduism. You could perhaps point out for me in your reply the exact specific sentences spoken by Manu that in your opinion constituted maligning of Hinduism. I for one couldn’t see one sentence or one word that spoke ill about Hinduism or its tenets."

After laughing off Rabindra Nath tagore's Dumbledore outfit( as if Manu has never seen the Pope and Padre gowns),  he uses the dress itself as an argument to rubbish India's contribution in spirituality.It does not take rocket science to establish how vacuous and ill-intended the argument is. Not to forget that Manu is deceiving his audience by ignoring Voltaire and other philosophers before Tagore who made the same point.
Dishonest and shallow arguments are always suspect and i am well within my rational right to investigate Manu's motives here

Contrary to what Western philosophers attest, Manu pronounces : "Mr. Shankar has emphasized the branding of India as the spiritual home of the world. It is one of the MOST enduring and absurd of MYTHS."
As if that was not enough ..Manu launches a frontal attack on the structure of Hinduism itself : "These exotic gurus emerge because Hinduism is not a structured faith with a central authority or a chain of command. So there is more room for spiritual freelancers.".. again its obvious he's insinuating that organized gangs with a hierarchy and authoritarian head  are a better way to run religion than letting it be without a strict structure.
Clearly Manu is batting for Christianity, he wants middle men and agents to God rather than people having the freedom to interact with God directly.That's his view and he is entitled to that BUT NOT use it as public benchmark against Hinduism or any other religion without any rationale.

He takes a dig at the errant hindu gurus "like the man who convinced his female followers that his blessing was bestowed by massaging their breasts." Does his not know the use and abuse of pearly bottom boys by Pastors, and Nun's made to spread the bible across the continents on command of the padres? How good and unbiased an author would you consider me if i use the example of these sex maniac aberrations as an argument against Christianity or the church hierarchy??

I wonder how you missed all this bile and ask me for proofs with a straight face :(

"And if he couldn’t forget the way he was snubbed by Ravi and his gang 9 years ago, surely you and I can forgive him for that."

this one , i concur.Reporters have as much if not more right to get carried away as a guru :) just they must admit that they did that at the cost of the viewership


"Again, unless and until you point out the exact sentences spoken by Manu that you felt were maligning Hinduism I cannot agree or disagree with your statement that Manu has disdain for Hinduism."

responded above.make your mind

"But it’s true that many new converts, not just from Hinduism to other religions, have apathy or disdain even for their old religion. For instance Adam Gadahn was an American Christian convert to Islam and is now spokesperson for the Al Qaeda. Many reasons can contribute to this disdain, for instance even as recently as the 1950’s in my home state of Kerala the task of scavenging night soil was exclusive to the dalit community. Another example was the statute of the Travancore state disallowing lower caste women from wearing upper garments in the presence of the Namboodiri Brahmins. Both situations led to large scale social revolt. To tell you the truth if someone forced my sister to go without an upper garment on the basis of her caste citing religious injunctions from the Manu Smriti or relegating my life to cleaning night soil for similar reasons, then not only would I convert, I’d probably say, to bloody hell with the Manu Smriti. These are but two instances of discrimination sanctioned by religion. "

We have instances of brutality in every religion.Caste bias in India is not a HINDU issue, It's a social malaise that is rampant in every religion in India.Evangelists fool gullible people into believing that a social malaise will vanish just by changing your religion. It cannot. You must be aware that there are separate churches for dalit and brahmin Christians in south. Also, the poor dalit Christians don't even have the right to be buried along with upper caste Christians. This is happening TODAY not in 1950s! A Brahmin Christian does not want to marry his child to a non-brahmin christian. These are the sad realities of the despicable caste system that is religion agnostic in India


"To be fair this is not exclusive to Hinduism alone. Many Muslims have shed Islam as have numerous Christians who have shed Christianity. Refer to this website for ex Christians who have put their religion under the scanner. http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/ ."

I never advocated for Hindus to stick to Hinduism.Everybody must be free to choose his or her religion (or atheism) .What is disheartening though is the methods used by foreign evangelists and Dawah agencies to harvest souls.I am sure Jesus never wanted to liberate a soul through a rice bag, job offer etc. If you see the freelance reports on how these missionaries are gaining converts you would know.


"With whom is it a burning problem?? Is it as burning a problem as unemployment, population, pollution, lack of public healthcare and sanitation, lack of proper infrastructure and last but not the least, corruption?"

Economic development at the cost of internal/external security makes you lose both.
I mentioned one burning problem in the context of the article. India is not a single cell amoeba.Its a huge country with many challenges. This does not mean that we should sweep a problem under the carpet by clouding it with others.

As of today Italy is in a financial mess ..the whole EU is trembling - but that's an economic issue : How wise it would be for me to poke this problem while discussing Christianity ? i know you know the answer so please don't digress.
you and i can discuss this burning problem.Rest assured that  1 billion plus are discussing the other burning problems as well.But it aint wise to mix up issues..right?

"Under a secular democratic constitution every person has the right to propagate their religion and every person has the right to choose for himself or herself the religion or spiritual philosophy that suits them best."

I never objected to conversion , only to UNETHICAL conversion. Duping and gaining converts from the lowest levels of maslow's hierarchy is unethical and a crime in any sensible SECULAR democracy.

As far as secularism is concerned, India is not a secular country.It follows "equal respect for all religions" ..which unfortunately is an alien concept in the Abrahmic Faith. They may at best TOLERATE the other faiths , but they would never RESPECT the other faiths. You would be aware the christian and Islamic literature against Hinduism and it's gods specially prepared to gain converts and unfortunately create a permanent hatred against the parent culture .

This is what i am against.If you want to free my soul..do that in delhi , bangalore, chennai and prove the point.why get inside tribal areas foment naxalaism and secession and make the tribals fight and kill each other ..those very tribals who were living in harmony since time immemorial until your gospel arrived?

it's a matter of introspection ..that we must!

" It is because of secularism that so many Hindus starting from Vivekananda in 1890’s to ISKCON and the more recent new age Gurus like HHSSRS and Jaggi Vasudev have been able to carry their philosophy to the West and propagate it freely. Many such organizations including AOL and Isha foundation even enjoy tax free status in the USA. Millions in western society have embraced these philosophies with no interference from either the state or the church. If it shows the greatness of these philosophies, it also shows the open mindedness of western society to different ways of thought. By that yardstick if we surmise that Indian society is secular then the evangelization by missionaries for fulfilling spiritual needs amongst society cannot be regarded as egregious by any stretch of imagination."


India's secularism is flawed.It's temple money and land is usurped by the government while it turns a blind eye to the financial irregularities and illegalities of missionary funds. Does this look like separation of Temple and State??Does the US have any clause that states that all Church money must be brought under government control? NO! so lets not compare India and US..India's brand of secularism is as flawed as German multiculturalism which the chancellor now realizes was a BIG MISTAKE!

alien cultures living in ghettos and spurring hatred against the native culture is not the idea of secularism at all.Appeasing the minority at the cost of majority is not the idea of secularism at all.Germany has learned it's lesson and i hope India does that ASAP.

as i said , i am not against religious conversion, provided it is ethical. Do you find any Hindu sect hunting for gullible aborigines in Australia or Native Americans to convert them by luring them? NO! The Indian gurus ( i don't consider the NYC bound spiritual stand up comedians as Gurus BTW) address an audience that is educated and can take its own decisions without any force or allurement [ I do concede here that using Hatha Yoga as device to stun the audiences rationality is unethical]

"If you discard secularism, and take away from people the freedom to choose their own way to potential spiritual salvation, because your religious ego is getting hurt, then your angst against the foreign missionaries becomes understandable. "

My angst against foreign missionaries stems not from my aversion to secularism but the very murder of secularism that is happening in my own country by their hands. As a hindu I am silent spectator when the temple money is usurped by the government and a portion of the same is donated to other religions.Temple land is appropriated and doled out to missionaries as the chief minister himself is a devout christian(Andhra Pradesh YSR) . I am also silently watching how secular tax money is used for subsidizing visits to mecca and jerusalem (none for amarnath or kailash mansarovar - hindu pays from his pockets). Now you want me dead as a mark of proving my secularism ..right?

I cannot! as i see these missionaries creating divides between converted and native tribal.I see them fueling naxalism and separatism in north eastern states of India.I see them making refugees out of the native Hindu population in Kerala, tripura and Kashmir. I cannot just gobble this with the flawed definition of secularism that you are offering to me.


"Then your argument essentially becomes, why didn’t these tribals and “north easterners” go in for some form of Hinduism rather than Christianity, as their way to salvation. I’m also curious to know why Hinduism waited for evangelists to reach out to the spiritual and material needs of the tribals and other animists and the NE areas before realizing the “danger” it was in."

Every country and state may have its weak areas .That does not mean that these weaknesses should be opened to exploitation. We don;t need foreign missionaries with suspect funding. We have a thriving Indian Christian community in India , i don't have any objection to them teaching the gospel to the Pagan(happy?) .Today north eastern states and goa are a holy mess where the church and state cannot be separated..they are killing the very idea of secularism and you choose to remain blind. It seems my angst must now be directed against you for feigning ignorance of these facts which even the Indian Christians lament.The Pentecostals have made the life of native Christians hell in the south.

for a rational person it aint difficult to catch these vultures that feed on economic, social and religious fault-lines.Its these vultures i am against. India has been a home and refuge  to every religion when they were persecuted elsewhere essentially because of the secularism that is inherent in Hinduism. As a Hindu i believe all paths lead to God i don't have to learn secularism from a evangelist who says that only Jesus is the way or Muhammad is the way.

Abrahmic religions are not secular at all. To them all others are bound to hell and hence must not be mingled with or respected in any way ! The fact that i respect the right of abrahmics to hate me must give you an idea of my secualrism versus theirs.
moot point ..stop beating Hinduism ..as it's the only deterrent which keeps one abrahmic sect from killing another in the name of their true god and true path.

"In response, allow me to get some facts out of the way. Firstly at nearly one billion the population of people professing some or the other form of Hinduism on planet earth has never been larger. This is nearly equal to the Muslim and catholic population on planet earth. In India, Christians account for a measly 25 million. This is almost equal to the size of the Indian migrant population living in non Hindu countries including the Gulf States. So in terms of sheer numbers Christians really constitute the proverbial drop in the ocean of Indian society. So now that I’ve gladdened your heart with some actual figures I can point out that the Kandhamal clashes were not the first between the two communities. Before the Kandhamal riots, an alleged RSS activist, Dara Singh and his supporters, had torched the jeep of the Australian missionary Graham Staines with him and his two sons inside it. This was amongst the first clear indications that certain sections of Oriya society did not take kindly to the missionary activities of Staines and were prepared to drop the customary “eastern serenity” to make their displeasure felt and hence the “inevitability” of what happened."

While what happened to graham staines and his innocent children cannot be condoned in any way,you again ignore the observation of the supreme court on this incident. The supreme court observed that illegal conversion was rampant in that belt and chrsitian converts were being pitted against their own non-converted tribal relatives.A few days before the gory incident, a hundred huts of Hindu tribals were burnt down by the tribal converts. It was a revenge act , heinous of course, but not less heinous than what preceded it.

" In the context of Kandhamal I gather you are referring to the killing of Laxmananda Saraswati by the Maoists as being the trigger for the ensuing violence. The link below shows the RSS version of the violence in the words of Ram Madhav, the RSS spokesman. http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jan/08guest.htm."

This is old news. read the mahapatra commission report on kadhamal which the government refused to tale in the parliament.It shows how rampant is the malaise of illegal conversion and its resulting impact on peace in that state

in the graham staines case the court made the following observation Q.The Supreme Court said today, "We hope Mahatma Gandhi's vision of religion playing a positive development integrating into a prosperous nation will be realized. There is no justification from interfering in someone's belief through force, conversion or false premise that one religion is better than the other." UnQ


"So as per your justifications “rice Christians” faked their ST status to get government jobs and the political representative sat by doing nothing presumably because he was a converted rice Christian himself. First of all I presume that in your definition rice Christian is one who converts for some material benefit. Again I wish to ask you, how different is this from the Hindu who goes to the temple and offers a coconut or does some puja imploring the deity or some other God to fulfill his material wishes, let’s say success in an election? You have a problem with the former but will be prepared to overlook the latter because it may be more in line with your way of fulfilling desires."

a Hindu does not offer the coconut to a Aston to become Ashwini. that's the fundamental difference. Even Christians pray and beg to their god for forgiveness and material benefits. so point number one is a logical fallacy..lets look at the second one

"Secondly you mention that large scale killing, rioting and arson by the majority against the minority is “inevitable” and permissible in such cases, despite availability of constitutional means to resolve the same and therefore the whole exercise is a justified expression of anger for the majority."

putting words into my mouth? "inevitable" does not mean "just", "right" or "permissible". I said Inevitable in the sense that i believe Hindus are as rational or irrational as the Christians or Muslims.If Muslims can riot (its not their fundamental right ..right?) ..so can Hindus retaliate(not their fundamental right again) ..it's inevitable to stop this mob frenzy unless of-course Indians of all creeds be sensitized  to the fact that rule of law is supreme.So the anger is justified, the riot is unjustified but is inevitable till the time people are sensitized.Also, the disproportionate number of victims is clearly because of the statistics you provided.there are less Hindus available to be killed , but more to retaliate :(

"This is exactly the justification given by the VHP/RSS for the Muslim specific state sponsored genocide that happened in Gujarat post-Godhra as in, the Muslims have misbehaved by torching the Sabarmati express, the rage of the majority cannot be suppressed now and must be allowed to be felt; the Muslims need to be punished, so discard all constitutional means of dealing with such violence, and take some direct action yourself to resolve/avenge the issue as in large scale indiscriminate killing of mostly defenseless fellow citizens who happened to have the wrong religion by RSS/VHP standards. Again the word “inevitable”. "

The very fact that you mention "post-godhra" riots is telling. Killing of Hindus must not irritate the Hindus but killing of Muslims by these angry post riot out-of-their mind Hindus must be treated as national shame!!? WOW!

so what do we have from here: Hindus are disposable commodities who should not retaliate against the privileged human beings aka Muslims and Christians. A hindu is expected to grab a popcorn tub and enjoy Hindus being butchered by minorities with a level of rationality that is not to be expected from the minority !

Why dont you get this simple fact dear that hindus in general can be as dumb as christians and muslims. Its just that their numbers are greater and hence whenever a minority attacks them the retaliation brings more victims to the minority community.This does not make rioting by EITHER PARTY right..but the argument of numbers is insane as is the despicable act of taking law into ones own hand.

unfortunately the idea of your kinds is not to investigate godhra (as it involves the killing of inconsequential Hindus), but simply ignore it and have some "POST"-godhra hindus bashing. sorry that doesn't sell
"Contrast this to the response of American society to the 9/11 attacks. If ever a large scale pogrom and state sponsored violence towards a specific community should have happened, it should have happened now. However the “inevitable” as you put it, never came to pass. The lives of and property of Muslims remained safe and sound, no large scale organized rioting against the minority, as in the case of Kandhamal or Gujarat, happened and the American armed forces took the battle to those who really deserved it, and radical Islam is being picked apart by means of debate by American society, debating being a better option that resolving issues out on the street. It’s hardly surprising then that it’s America which is the most favored destination for emigration for migrants the world over."

I agree, we must salute American citizens for that.They do realize the perils of radical Islam but are mature enough to use debate as a medium to expose this menace rather than take the law in their own hands. But please appreciate that American democracy is 200 years old ..Indian democracy is just 63 years old. Not even 80 years ago , if you look at how Americans reacted to apparent aliens(blacks) is well known to the world.Ever heard the song : "Strange Fruit" ?

having said that, remember that the 9/11 attack was a terrorist attack. and not a communal riot. India behaved in a similar mature fashion after the multi-city bomb-blasts and 26/11 attacks.Here again, to your dislike, the "inevitable" alone happened.Indians realized that these are foreign terrorists acting with the support of some local misguided terrorists (oxymoron ..nay!) and hence did not take to the streets.So don't start self-flagellating again. Indians are growing up as much as the others. so chill!

"By posting this argument, are you admitting that Christian missionaries have done yeoman service to further the cause of education and social service in India, and you want to show that Hindu organizations aren’t too far behind or are even ahead??? As long as help is reaching to those who need it, does it really matter? When was a hungry person, or a leper or a destitute a Hindu or a Christian? I really wouldn’t have any problems if after receiving help from a Hindu organization a poor tribal decided to throw in his lot with the Hindus. Point is, this wasn’t even in the article written by Manu and yet curiously you somehow felt it necessary to bring it up."

yeoman service it would have been if they would not have converted these people, taken money from these very poor people to fund, build and maintain pakka churches  while themselves living in mud houses.The DAV colleges and saraswati shishu mandirs are open to all communities not like minority institutions which have upto 50% reservation for the ..what you call them... "drops in the ocean".

btw, I brought this point up not against the article but against your comment.


"Actually I did ask myself honestly and the answer that came back was, “in the human mind” the very same mind that invented the computer, the internet, the space rocket and the vaccine for polio. The very same mind that came up with concepts like secularism, democracy, freedom of speech and rationalism also came up with all the philosophies that you have listed out. And while I won’t comment on the greatness of RBT’s “eastern serenity” comment nor on his spirituality, since there isn’t a Nobel Prize for spirituality yet, the acceptance of it by Einstein certainly testifies to his open mindedness,

a) first you steal the IPR of Indian Spiritualism by attributing it to the "human mind" in general
b)the you portray the acceptance of this spirituality as Einstein's benevolence ...Openness !!!!
In one stroke you paint Einstein's  "ADORATION" of Indian Spirituality as his ability to "WITHSTAND" Indian spirituality. You are the next Manu Joseph ..the bad news is he doesn't sell !


Nobody can divide you from humanity unless you allow them to.

Arahmic faiths are doing that constantly and the world is a witness to that.A tribal in afganistan or bastar does not have the liberty of debate and rational dialogue like you and me.It's this crop that is harvested by the evangelsists.The facts are staring at our faces..northe east wants to secede from India, Kashmir has driven out hindus and wants islamic sharia , kerala and west bengal are now totally divided between the faithful and the kafir(or Pagan if you will)
There's a us versus them divide programmed in the abrahmic faith system and the hindu caste system...both need to be dealt withif we really want humanity to unite.

"I dont doubt pythagoras hearing of the ability of gangetic mathematicians, being the true learner he is , must have come down all the way to satisfy his thirst for knowledge.
This is fairly commonplace you would agree given the fact that thousands upon thousands of Indian students visit western shores to learn and be trained in scientific techniques. Perhaps the west paying back her debts to the east, someone interested in dividing knowledge on the basis of geographical directions might say ????"

The very fact that you eulogize west and discredit the east in  the same breath belies your clarion call of geographical indifference to knowledge.

anyways , let me tell you the real debt the west is paying . The first industrial revolution was funded by the dismantling of Indian (undivided india- dhaka)  textile industry and setting up the same in Manchester(now you know why Manchester and liverpool are still fighting ;) ).The colonial loot of India (before the mughal and british invasion india was the third biggest economy of the world and by the time they left we were a famine stricken poor country). This in turn fueled science and tech research.While the west got a jump-start with new found indian wisdom and wealth, India tried to gather itself up from the state it was in in 1947.
The west is not inviting Indians for free.Of course India has to do some catching up on the research front, but it was left behind in the race not because of lack of merit but because of it being forced into backwardness thanks to the west.As far as scientific knowledge is concerned , we owe it more to Israel than anybody else otherwise India and other progressive nations have also contributed their fair share to this growing secular knowledge.

having said that , I respect the great minds irrespective of where they came from but not at the cost of eulogizing the western geniuses and trashing the eastern ones be they secular or religious. Where the credit is due..it's due !
so please ":do the due" ;)

" and as for evangelical bile, Im really past the stage of calling bile evangelical or otherwise. Bile is bile, and I know the bile when I see it and my sadhana is to offer no place for any kind of bile in my mind."

what kind of a saadhak is he who cannot see evangelism as bile itself.Evangelism is all about reminding the other of his alleged inferiority and ones own superiority.This is the very bile that is opposed in the content of this blog where you have to accept a mortal as God or final authority as the commander of your thoughts,actions and deeds...all of this bile can only bind you and never liberate you

anyways ..all the best with your sadhana . so long !

Men should be allowed sex slaves and female prisoners could do the job - and all this from a WOMAN politician from Kuwait

She gave the example of Haroun al-Rashid, an 8th century Muslim leader who ruled over an area covered by modern-day Iran, Iraq and Syria and was rumoured to have 2,000 concubines.

Mutairi recommended that offices could be opened to run the sex trade in the same way that recruitment agencies provide housemaids.

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Bu güne kadar bize anlatılan dinde, İnsanların çoğalma şekli anlatılırken, Allah ilk önce hazreti Ademi yarattı.Daha sonra onun sağ kaburga kemiğinden hazreti havayı yarattı. Onlar evlendiler. Her Doğumda çocuklar ikiz doğuyordu doğan çocukların mutlaka biri kız biri erkek oluyordu. Her batından doğan çocukların bir biriyle evlenmeleri yasak ama başka batından doğan erkek ve kız bir birlerini almaları ise helal diye anlatmışlar durmuşlardır.
Yani insanların ilk üreme şekli kardeş evliliği ile başlıyor. Bu Anlayış Allah ın dinine bir iftiradır.Şimdi Kur’an dan İnsanların türeme şekli nasılmış ve nasıl olmalıdır onu incelemeye çalışalım.
Kur’an da anlatılan üreme ve yaratılış biçimi: Daha önce Adem, melek , iblis şeytan, cin , kelimelerini Kur’an da ki ayetler ışığında izah etmiştik. Bunları burada tekrar izah etmeye gerek yok. Şimdi insanların türeme şeklini bize anlatan ayetleri incelemeye çalışarak çelişkisiz bir dini anlatmaya çalışacağım inşallah.
71/17-“Allah sizi yerden bir bitki gibi bitirdi.”
71/18”Sonra sizi oraya tekrar geri çevirecek, ve sizi bir çıkarışla ,diriltip çıkaracaktır.”
Ayetlerden anlaşıldığı gibi,ilk insanlar yaratılırken , bir tek insandan yaratılmadığı, bir çok insandan yaratıldığı vurgulanmaktadır. Şimdi Bu anlayışın tam aksine gibi bir anlam taşıyan ayeti nakletmeye çalışalım.
49/13”Ey İnsanlar gerçekten biz sizi,bir erkek ve bir dişiden yarattık. Birbirinizle tanışmanız için halklar ve kabileler kıldık. Şüphesiz Allah katında sizin en üstün olanınız,(soyca değil) Takvaca en ilerde olanınızdır.Şüphesiz Allah bilendir haber alandır.”
Kur’an burada İnsanları bir erkek ve dişiden yarattık ifadesini kullanırken,Üreme,çoğalma biçiminin,formülünden bahsetmektedir. Yani bir insanın çoğalma biçiminin oluşabilmesi için,Erkeğin sperması ile kadının yumurtalığının birleşmesi sonucunda olduğu anlatılmak istenmektedir. Yoksa klasik dinde anlatıldığı gibi Adem ve Havva değildir. Eğer öyle olmuş olsaydı Kur’an da bahsedilen kardeş evliliğinin haram olmasıyla ilgili ayete ters düşerdi.
4/23”Sizlere anneleriniz kızlarınız, kız kardeşleriniz,halalarınız, teyzeleriniz, erkek kardeşlerinizin kızları, sizi emziren anneleriniz, süt kız kardeşleriniz,kadınlarınızın anneleri, ve Kendisiyle gerdeğe girdiğiniz, kadınlarınızdan olup, koruyuculuğunuz altında bulunan, üvey kızlarınız, onlarla gerdeğe girmemişseniz,size bir sakınca yoktur.Sizin sülbünüzden olan oğullarınızın eşlerive iki kız kardeşi bir araya getirdiğiniz (evlilik ) haram kılındı ancak,(cahiliyede) geçen geçmiştir. Şüphesiz Allah bağışlayandır esirgeyendir.”
Anlatılan ayette Erkeklere haram olan kadınları sıralarken başkabir ayette de kadınlara haram olan erkekleri anlatmaktadır. Şimdi o ayeti nakletmeye çalışalım.
33/55” Onlar için babaları oğulları kardeşleri, erkek kardeşlerinin oğulları, kız kardeşlerinin oğulları, Kadınları ve sağ elinin malik olduğu (cariyeleri) hakkında bir sakınca yoktur.( ey Müslüman kadınlar) Allah tan sakının şüphesiz Allah her şeye şahid olandır.”
İlk Yaratılan insan topluluğu içerisinden Allah bir peygamber göndermiştir, Allah’a ve gönderilen peygambere bağlı olanların adı müslümandır. En son peygamberin getirdiği dinin adı İslam bağlı olanların adı da müslümandır.
Öyleyse İlk Yaratılan insanlarla Kıyametin kopuş anına kadar vahye bağlı insanların, dinleri arasında farklılık yoktur Bir Toplumda zorunlu bir durum ortaya çıkmadıkça Helal olanlar diğer toplumlarda da helaldir haram olanlar da diğer toplumlarda da haramdır. Şimdi nasıl aynı anneden doğan kardeş evliliği haram ise ilk insan topluluğundaki insanlarda da kardeş evliliği haram idi
16/118” Yahudi olanlara da sana aktardıklarımızı haram kıldık. Biz onlara zulmetmedik ancak onlar kendi nefislerine zulmediyorlardı.”
Allah ilk insanların yaratılışından sonra bir sünnet koymuştur. Ve bu sünnetini bir erkek ve bir dişiden insanları türeterk devam ettirip durmaktadır.Allah’ın Yarattığı ve bir sünnet olarak devam ettirip durduğu dinin adı fıtrat dinidir İbrahim dinidir hanif dinidir.
30/30”Öyleyse sen yüzünü Allah’ı Birleyen (bir hanif ) olarak,dine Allah’ın Fıtratına çevir ki, İnsanları bununüzerine yaratmıştır.Allah’ın Yaratışı için hiçbir değiştirme yoktur. İşte dimdik ayakta duran din ( budur. ) Ancak insanların çoğu bilmezler.”
Diyorlar ki Allah’ın Kendi koyduğu kurallarına uymaya mecbur mu tutuyorsun diyorlar. Haşa Allah’a Böyle bir şey söylemek ,bizim haddimize değildir.Allah Dilediğini dilediği gibi yapar. Ona hiçbir sözümüz yoktur ancak Allah vaad ettiğini yerine getirendir. Bir de Allah'ın koyduğu kanunlar ile pratik hayat uyuşmamış olsaydı. Kainat fesada uğrardı. Allah Her şeyi bir intizam ve düzen içinde yaratmıştır.
22/47”Onlar azabın senden çarçabuk getirilmesini istiyorlar,Allah Vadine kesin olarak muhalefet etmez,Gerçekten senin rabbin katında bir gün sizin saymakta olduklarınızdan bin yıl gibidir.”
İnsanların Türeme şeklini bir adam değil de veya bir adem değil de bir çak adam veya bir çok adem yaratsaydı veya yaratmış olarak, anlaşılsaydı İnsanlara haram olan kardeş evliliği o zaman da haram idi mantığı daha uygun olmaz mıydı. Çünkü Her peygamber kendinden önce gelen peygamberleri doğrulamış ve tasdik etmiş ve kendinden sonra gelecek olan peygamberi de müjdelemiş böylece Akaidi bozulmayan bir din ortaya gelmiştir.
61/6” Hani Meryem oğlu İsa da, Ey İsrail oğulları, Gerçekten ben sizin için Allah’tan gönderilmiş bir elçiyim. Benden önce tevratı doğrulayıcı, ve benden sonra ismi Ahmet olan, Bir elçinin de müjdeleyicisiyim demişti. Fakat o onlara apaçık belgelerle gelince bu açıkça bir büyüdür demişlerdi.”
Allah İnsan oğlunun ilk yaratışıyla, insan oğlunun son yaratılışı arasındaki hayat ağını Hiç hata ve eksik olmadan çelişkisiz bir biçimde peygamberler göndererek, çelişkisiz bir biçimde örmüştür. Her An ve her zaman elçileri peş peşe dizerek, kendi yolunda yürümek isteyenleri, Haram ve helal olanları bildirerek haramlardan sakınmayı helalleri yapıp ve yaptırmayı teşvik eden elçiler göndermiştir. Kendi özgür iradesiyle şeytanın yolunda gitmek isteyenlere de müdahale etmemiş serbet bırakmıştır.
Kur’an Peygamberlerin yerini ve konumunu ortaya koyarken onlara bir değer biçmiştir. Onlar Allah’ın vermiş olduğu bir emri yerine getirmede kesinlikle çekimser kalmazlar. Onlar Allahın emirlerine karşı muhalefet edemezler Allah’a şirk koşmazlar. Bakınız Adem kelimesini sadece peygamber olarak algılayanlar. Kur’an da geçen şu ayete muhalefet ederler. Şimdi ayeti buraya naklederek beraber düşünelim.
7/189”O sizi tek bir nefisten yarattı, Ve kendisiyle durulup yatışması için,ondan eşini var etti. Onu (eşini) Örtüp Bürüyünce, O da bir yük yüklendi, Bununla (bir süre) gezindi.nitekim ağırlaşınca ikisi Rableri olan Allah’a, dua ettiler.eğer bize Salih bir çocuk verirsen, andolsun şükredenlerden olacağız.
Ayette geçen tek bir nefis sözü, Bir Adamı sembolize ederek,ondaki yaratılış biçiminin aynısı olan kadını da aynı nefis cinsinden yarattığı anlaşılması gerekmektedir. Burada erkek ve kadınların Hepsinde akıl takva ve fısk ve fücur olduğu şeklinde anlaşılmalıdır.
Yoksa buradaki tek bir nefis ifadesini Hz. Adem peygamber olarak anlaşılmış olsaydı akebinde gelen ayete tezat teşkil ederdi.
7/190” Ama o onlara Salih (bir çocuk) verince kendilerine verdiği şey konusunda, ona ortaklar kılmaya başladılar. Allah onların şirk koştuklarından yücedir.”
Hiçbir peygamber müşrik değildir. Hiçbir peygamber çocuğunu Allah’tan daha çok sevemez. Öyleyse burada bahsedilen tek bir nefis adem peygamber değil insan oğlunun genelini kaplayan bir haslettir.
Bu gün insanların geneli öyle değil mi? Çocuklarına olan sevgilerini Allah’a olan sevgilerinin önüne çıkarıp çocuklarını ilahlaştırmıyorlar mı? İnsanların genelinde mal ve Dünya tutkusu Allah’a olan sevginin önünde ilerlemektedir. Ama Peygamberler Allah’ın Kutsal ruh ile desteklediği elçilerdir Onlar Eğitimlerini peygamber olduktan sonra Allah'tan almışlardır. Onların nerde ne yapacağını Allah bildirir onlar Allah’ın koyduğu sınırlar içerisinde haraket ederler.
Elbette Kur’an da bir adem peygamber geçmektedir ama bu adem çocuğunu Allah’a ortak eden adem değil peygamber olarak övülen ademdir.
3/33” Gerçek şu ki, Allah Ademi , Nuh’u İbrahim ailesini ve İmran ailesini Alemler üzerine seçti.”
İşte bu Adem peygamber Yaratılan İlk Ademler arasından Allah’ın Seçtiği ve ilk adem topluluğuna gönderdiği bir elçidir. Yoksa ilk insan yaratıldığı zaman peygamber olmaz. Peygamberlik Sonradan kişilerin kendilerini Allah ‘a Yöneltmesiyle Allah’ın Seçmesi sonucunda peygamber olunur.

07 of July 2011 I , “IMRAN FIRASAT” (A Pakistani, Ex Muslim, residing in Spain with political refugee status) will burn “QURAN” publicly in Madrid, in the memory of those innocent people who lost their lives in London Bombing which was organized by muslims who follow the violent education of Quran.

I am not copying or repeating the act of terry jones but I am supporting him by doing so and continuing the revolution which he began against the islamic ideology of terrorism which comes out of Quran.

In recent years we have been watching the Circus being played by the muslims around the world on the issue of Cartoons of Prophet Muhammad. Wstern media dared to publish those cartoons for what they really deserve praise and salutes from everyone who is in favour of “Freedom of Speech” and like to defend the truth. I personally think that what they did was not simply publishing some cartoons but that was an act of showing the hidden truth about Muhammad.

Muslims around the world got angry on those publications and protested, because they do not have capacity to bear the truth.

Let me die please, Let me die. Not because I have any serious uncurable decease or I am tired of living this life, but the reason why I want to die is “I feel shame to be a Muslim” it gives me a lot of shame when there is any news of terrorism attacks by muslims around the world.

Even I am not a terrorist but as being a muslim I feel myself the responsible for those thousand of innocent people who were killed by my Muslim community. When I mention my muslim name somewhere , I feel like everyone is looking at me with suspicious eyes and imagining that I am a suicide bomber and I will just ruin this place and their lives by blasting them. I don’t blame them for the opinion they keep about Muslims. They have more than enough strong reasons to think like that about Muslims. But my question is that what is my fault and why should I be discriminated and hated?

Was he an evil? Was he a dictator? Was he a cruel,stubborn and less intelligent man?

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In year 2005 The President of Islamic republic of Iran “Mr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad” commented something about Israel in the International media, which bécame a big issue but as usual only for a short time because nobody want to take actions against Islamic countries like Iran. It may because of fear from Islamic countries or may be the intelligency to noit make the hands dirty in fighting with muslim countries. But I would like to reply to the president of Iran through this open letter abouit all his comments:

DearSir,

Since I was a child, I used to hear through the Bollywood movies that:

“The hands of the law are very long and nobody can escape from them”

         One cannot but feel very sad, disgusted and frustrated from the unprovoked killings of Christians in Egypt. In the past few years such a tragedy would have taken place with a public outcries and condemnations by most Moslems including the perpetrators. This time though, the sad event was publicized so repeatedly in the Egyptian media, while accusing the Salafies with this grotesque crime. Even though Al-Azhar condemned such a heinous crime publicly, it was still criticized very strongly by most intellectual Moslems for not taking enough action against the Salafies. The dead and the wounded were not only Christians but a huge portion was from the Moslem community. As a result, many Moslem intellectuals are demanding the immediate incarcerations of most Salafies while insisting on public trials with a strong demand for the death penalty for the Salafis perpetrators. This demand is a bit strange because for the first time it excluded Christians from being punished since their reaction of killing the attacking Moslems was clearly in self-defense, a fact that was never admitted before.

        Most media were demanding from the government and the Islamic authorities to do whatever is necessary to restrict the activities of the Salafies and place them under firm control and surveillance including those that were not involved in the crime. From the many reports that were unveiled by the media, most Salafies are either on the run, or in hideouts so as to avoid being caught to face the expected severe justice. There are few who are demanding that punishment should include those Christians who were involved in killing some Moslems, which means that Christians were armed, even in defending themselves, which represented violations of carrying arms without proper licenses. Such an accusation, of course, created a lot of fear among Moslems including the Slafies that Christians will use fire arms in any future attack.  

In the past several weeks, The Clean Air Act has come under heavy fire by House Republicans. The House GOP has proposed a legislation that is aiming to abolish the Environmental Protection Agency’s flagship regulatory standard.  Along with the ban, the EPA is facing a potential budget cut of nearly one third of its total funds. If the proposed legislation becomes law, the EPA will be decimated, and the general public’s health will be put at risk.

While the GOP has been receiving the most attention regarding their proposal to block EPA climate regulations, the Senate is going to have the final say. Three amendments that are aiming to strip the EPA’s ability to regulate greenhouse gas emissions are to be deliberated on the Senate floor this week.  In fact, this Monday, top lawmakers will be considering a Republican proposal that wishes to permanently remove the EPA’s authority over the regulation of power plant’s and refinery’s greenhouse gas emission levels.