Freedom Bulwark | Evil triumphs when good people do nothing

I read Wendy Doniger because I wanted an academics viewpoint of Hindu history in all its glorious diversity from the heretical Agoras to the purity obsessed Brahmanical class.

Sure , why wouldn't a bible thumper want to read a "psychoanalytical" take on Hinduism and treat it as "authentic history". You would do well to to read other "histories" of psycho-biographies of Muhammad and Jesus to make you more "historically" enlightened.

For lesser mortals like us, we see history and psychoanalysis separately. we also understand that the academics of time travel are not the practices of time travel.
The sanitized RSS & VHP version with their depiction of the Islamic sultans as bigoted rampaging demons and the Hindus as the poor docile victims wasn’t good enough for me.

Read the authentic Persian chronicles where its proudly mentioned how these ghazis plundered , enslaved and massacred Hindus.I hope you don't consider chroniclers like Utbi, Aurangzeb,Timur lung, Abu Faizal as RSS/VHP cadre

Historian (not psychoanalyst historian) Will Durant  was not a  RSS/VHP man. He observed
"The Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the BLOODIEST STORY IN HISTORY, a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without and multiplying from within. "

But i am sure that the Kerala evangelical library would have something to suggest that Aurangzeb was a closet RSS/VHP guy.I wont be surprised if you come up with a psychoanalytic  attestation of  the same

And please feel free to reject my invitation to have a look at that book. Regarding the psychoanalytical takes that you allege, characterize that book, I couldn’t see one single such take in all 799 pages of the book. On the contrary Wendy went to great pains to give verifiable references for each and every historical event she has described. In fact I’d never have known of the existence of the Gudimallam Linga, the oldest worshipped Linga in India if not for this book.
http://anushankarn.blogspot.com/2010/12/around-tirupati-gudimallam-lingam-like.html

This is what happens when you miss the preface or the author's interview.Wendy herself said that it's not authentic history but an alternative perspective on the text  viewed from a psychoanalytic lens

BTW, I am not against Wendy Doniger's right to write garbage against Hinduism.I would be the first to protect her right to do so but I don't read a book which sells psychoanalysis as history.I was disinclined to read the book as i am well aware that psychoanalysis has been long discarded as a pseudo science even in the field of science. The fact that you want to hone your academic skills on the basis of a pseudo science is a fair indication of where you are headed - pastor @stupidseeker.


here's a critique of her book by a scholar of Sanskrit:
here: http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?262511#1.

and here's an academic dissection of Wendy Donigers et al
http://invadingthesacred.com/content/view/13/33/

Regarding your views on religious conversions, in the NE and Goa I can say that the NE people and Goan people I’ve met and who are Christians are very comfortable with their faiths despite knowing that their forefathers were at some point of time non Christian. That being the case it should be nobody’s problem what their religious affiliations are.

why wouldn't the Christians be comfortable since they are the perpetrators of hatred in this case. I am not blaming these Christians for their past nor protesting their being Christians.If they are happy that their forefathers were tortured and raped into Christianity , it's not my moral dilemma . I am blaming the present crop for destroying  temples  in Goa and driving out the hindu tribals to tripura  in NE where they were forced to live in refugee camps.


In fact both these regions have amongst the highest literacy rates in India.

hmm.. this the most drug addited, jobless and violent zones of india too. thank Jesus for these too ..will you?

for your info, anybody wanting good education , has to move out of NE to Delhi, bangalore.

Regarding Goa, it has had a string of Hindu chief ministers and currently is the tourist hotspot internationally. So I’m not so sure how valid your claim of Goa being a hotbed of evangelism is.

Just because the Christian sponsored media does not cover these news , don't assume that such things are not happening.Enter goa temple desecration/ destruction in YouTube and see for yourself.


Indeed yes in the past, Goa had been subjected to repeated ecumenical inquisitions to the severe detriment of the local saraswat Brahmin community. These atrocities cannot be justified from a secular and humane viewpoint, but at the same time Goan Christians of the present time cannot be held accountable for what was done in the past. Whether or not they wish to reconvert back to the religion of their forefathers is a decision that is best left to the individual, in a secular society where multiple religious avenues should be made available to all members of society. In fact the same argument can be extended to the extermination of animist methods of worship by the expansion of the Vedic culture amongst the tribals and other animists.


The Vedic culture is open to animists way of worship as well as atheists and agnostics.The only barrier to it is Islam and Christianity. Unfortunately it's Christian evangelists who are entering the trial belts and rooting out their age old animist traditions - the devil's religion- in bible speak .

You feign complete ignorance of the fact that many Hindu sects have animist idols (narsimha,Ganesha etc) ...they are the least threat to animism . Pastor stupid seeker, Hindus have many sects that have these idols from thousands of years, it;s christianity and islam that are hell bent on destroying these.

I hope now you will join me opposing any evangelist trying to barge into our jungles to destroy animsitic ways of worship of the tribals. will you?

Regarding the NE, the plain and simple fact is that the missionaries got there first and catered to the material and spiritual needs of the people in their usual brisk and professional manner.

The missionaries got there to convert and incite the locals to secede from India. It's the same group that created havoc in Burma and Indonesia. You need to read the right books on the dangerous nexus between naxals and evangelists in the 21st century.The west is moving away from Christianity, why don't these evangelists try to address their spiritual needs? because they know that their crap wont sell there and hence they give you ,a tribal, a guitar, bare minimum education and hot pants. Now indulge in drugs and form a band ..by the time you are 40 you are penniless and divorced. that's the story of NE development in short


Concepts such as love of the Christ as a means to salvation so similar to the Hindu concept of Bhakti, prohibition of idolatry, charity, heaven and hell are easily understood and assimilated.

Lolz .. in a statement above you were lamenting the extermination of idolatry at the hands of vedic hindus .Pastor you need to be very very careful with your case for Christ.you are failing miserably

 Add to that the providing of decent education facilities and you have the recipe to win yourself a convert. I won’t be far off the mark, when I say that the Hindu evangelists are running their reconversion programs in tribal areas on exactly similar lines.

If you go to tribal areas where Hindu's are involved in social activities it would a very different place than where missionaries are active. First thing that separates them is that the hindus would ask these tribals to get educated and excel for India. The missionaries would see to it that naxal rights are protected and fake HR orgs like Amensty are called in to show the non-christian tribals and state in poor light.

It's a strategy that is uniformly carried out throughout the world in developing nations.The christian goes to these belts to create enemies of the state and the infidels, the hindu goes there to bring the tribal to mainstream.

I wonder if Hindus like you have ever wondered how the caste system must have driven lower caste people into the waiting arms of Christianity, Islam and Buddhism. Just one example to illustrate my point. I’m sure you must have read in the news about the unearthing of approx. 5 trillion rupees worth of treasure from the vaults of the Padhmanabhaswamy temple in Thiruvananthapuram. This money it seems consisted of taxes collected by the king Martanda Verma from his subjects and donated to the idol of Padhmanabha. Amongst the various taxes were those that were imposed on lower caste people for marriages, births and even funeral ceremonies.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_sri-padmanabhaswamy-the-lord-of-the-rings-necklaces-and-taxes_1564164


I have answered this point in another post. in short Caste system is not a HINDU malaise, it's as much a CHRISTIAN,MUSLIM malaise in south asia . You have separate prayer halls for dalit and upper caste Christians, you have arzal, afzal muslim communities.they don't intermarry.

It was not Marthanda Varma but the his eight knights who imposed these heavy taxes.These very guys conspired and made him flee his kingdom for a while.Most of the wealth of the  temple is from Martanda Varma's conquests.The Varmas dedicated this entire wealth to Lord Padmanabha and themselves lived a life of auserity that is followed till date.It was the Varmas who first opened up the temples for the lower castes.

so please start hunting for another "good" reason for a Hindu to convert to Christianity as more and more dalit Christians are coming back to the fold of Hinduism ..because the caste-system thingy isn't ringing any bells. To become a dalit christian from a dalit hindu  must sound liberating to you pastor , but to the dalit its the end of the charade

With such an agenda on the mind of the ruling classes I at least would have converted at the earliest opportunity.

and today you would have been a proud Dalit Christian denied entry to churches and burial along with the upper caste Christians. Then you would have met me and i would have sensitized you to the fact that religious conversion cannot drive out a social malaise.If you would be wise , you'd come back to Hinduism , as its the most adaptable to change. The padmanabha dasas you are blaming, were the first ones to open the temples to the lower castes. How foolish of you to have converted pastor :(


And this is only one example of the general national state of affairs that spanned several centuries. Why do you think communism took such strong hold of Kerala for so many years?

kerala, tamil nadu are victims of a greater ploy. ..communists would use and get used by Islamic radicals and Pentecostals to keep a tight grip on these states. Then you have the pseudo-science of aryan-dravidian divide percolating down to the masses.In such a mess communists thrive and the states loses. After kashmir, it's kerala that is witnessing the fastest rise in radical Islam. Even christian professors hands are getting chopped and the  culprit gets elected by a thumping majority ..This is good enough for me to understand the brand of secularism and communism in kerala.


 Wasn’t Buddhism was born because of the reaction of the middle classes to the exclusivity that the Vedic society conferred upon the Brahmanical classes.

Wrong! Buddhism was born when a king observed a dead body and asked himself ..how can i eradicate suffering. In the course of his understanding he realized that all rituals , relations, emotions are the cause of suffering.It's in this light that he thought the brahmanic rituals were foolish as these cannot alleviate suffering. If if would have seen Jesus or Muhammad, he would have castigated them in much harsher tones
Consider this, Benazir Bhutto conceded her grandfather was a Rajput Hindu and yet she was more than comfortable with her Islamic identity. 

Indeed, i have no objection to that aspect of benazir butto. The benazir bhutto i am opposed to is the one whose speech was telecast on kasshmiri mosques where she ordered the devout muslims to drive away the kafir hindus out of the valley and the "inevitale" did happen. an Abrahmic majority drove away all hindus from the valley in this proud secular democracy of india. Today these kashmiri pandits who live in refugee camps are called KPs off comera, on camera the word KP is a big no-n0.. not to be discussed ..,why discuss ,, just a few lakh hindus ..why bother?

Amnesty International , the great HR org ..laughed away their plight . The KPs didn't know what amensty actually is...its only when people at higher positions resigned from amnesty in disgust, that they realized  wjat this monster ois all about

In such a case what measures then do you intend to take then to displace people from the faiths that they feel comfortable in?? And more importantly, at what cost?? Perhaps as you mentioned in your post the “inevitable” may have to happen again to fulfill your religious ambitions.

i have no intention to displace people's faith, until they start displacing me from my native place(like the KPs or the NE tribals).The cost is what me and many Hindus are paying in our own country. one part of the inevitable is happening and the other part of the inevitable will happen if the plight of the Hindus goes unattended.

let true secularism be practiced and not minority appeasement ..let there be a uniform civil code and maximum punishment for those who start a riot- be they hindus or muslims or christians without hushing up
Again you mention Kashmir, Kerala and West Bengal as places where Islamic radicalism has made life hell for the Hindus. Firstly I’d like to mention that Indian society is a developing one and in general, the life of the average Indian (to me) or Hindu (to you) is far from satisfactory in terms of parameters of social health such as employment and access to decent healthcare, even in states other than which you mentioned and I assure you that it will take far greater imagination to solve these problems than a simple Hindu vs. Muslim analogy.
http://www.ifpri.org/publication/comparisons-hunger-across-states-india-state-hunger-index

This is all the more disheartening for a Hindu. He is the majority amongst the poor but his prime minister says that Muslims have the first right to the country. His temple money is redirected to building churches and mosques.On top of it , if he mentions his plight , he is branded communal

This link will show you that India ranks at par with Africa when it comes to providing adequate nourishment to its citizens the majority of which happen to be Hindu.

as i said it's bad news for Hindus and more bad news for upper caste Hindus who are treated as third grade citizens  and the perpetrators even if they be the poorest of the poor. India should have had reservations on economic lines ..rather it chose the casteist line


This after 60 years of independence and self rule.

would you care to care to check America's history when it was 60 ..once you do you'd be proud how far we have come in as many years. and pls don't quote Japan in your reply. Japan was rebuilt using foreign aid. India was deprived of all it's wealth and had to wriggle out on Her own. The the way she has managed so far is commendable to say the least

I for one cannot accept that religious radicalism needs to be fought with more religious radicalism.

opposing religious radicalism is not religious radicalism.It's rationalism and a sensible thing to do. tolerating intolerance aint smart anywhere. Ask Merkel if you don't believe me

The way America and Europe have dealt with the threat of radical Islam so far, is proof enough that secularism and democracy in combination with military means in the hands of a secular government is far more effective compared to the widespread demonization of a particular community and taking the law into your hands and making the “inevitable” happen.

America is the reason why terrorism is an international phenomenon. It was the facilitator and abettor of terrorism. The Americans know it and hence their cautious reaction.albeit, I do understand that it's only the birthright of Islamic radicals and christian Maoists to wield the gun and for Hindus like me taking the law into ones own hand is not the way forward.Some Hindus did retaliate in kind ..but they found no takers in the majority community. Contrast this with a recent poll on how many Muslims treat osama as a hero and you would have answered yourself there.

Regarding Kashmir, you will be happy to know that, the Indian Government has empowered the Indian Army with what is known as the AFSPA or the Armed Forces special protection Act. Under the statutes of this act an army officer can shoot to kill any person he deems to be a threat to security, destroy any property he deems to be a suspected ammunition dump, and detain and torture any person whom he believes may have information pertaining to insurgents. Read it for yourself here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_(Special_Powers)_Act,_1958

There goes the christian rant. Do i hear a single word on the 7,00,000 displaced and tortured Kashmir pundits ..No! Only the army is to be blamed if it has been given special powers to stop insurgents from killing innocent civilians and burning and blowing up national property.The AFSPA is necessary to protect this country from disintegrating. its no secret that ,many foreign powers want India to disintegrate ..and the border areas the first ones where this mess happens.

Ask yourself a commonsensical question : why is there religious fanatic secessionist cry in border areas only while naxalism is spread across the nation?

A: because the naxals want to take over the nation while the christian and Islamic separatists want to tear apart the nation.USSR, SUDAN, CHINA,THAILAND,INDONESIA ..the virus is everywhere ..how can one overlook it!


Over the past two decades the Indian Army the Indian Army has been so vigorous in utilizing this act that none other than Amnesty International rapped the Indian army for large scale human rights abuses that has left about 10,000 Kashmiris all of them Muslim missing. What’s most interesting is that one hand the Indian government calls the Kashmiris Indian citizens and on the other hand empowers its armed forces to kill its own citizens without fear of legal retribution. No other constitutionally secular and democratic country other than India has promulgated such a statute, of enforcing citizenship by coercion.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/ASA20/031/2006/en/d2d7e559-d3d2-11dd-8743-d305bea2b2c7/asa200312006en.html

ya ya .. do some googling on what is amnesty and what is it's agenda. By the way, along with the evangelical "suggested reading", you must read the newspapers too. The official figures of all casualties is public now and according to the facts more people have died at the hands of terrorists than the security forces. Does amnesty say anything on that? why would it?


So in all honesty if life is hell for Hindus in the Kashmir valley it’s not exactly paradise for the Muslims either. 

Show me one muslim community that was driven out by Hindus. There are instances of riots with provocations from both sides. But as far as Kashmir is concerned , it was single handedly the Muslims who drove out the peaceful Hindus out of the valley for the crime of being Hindus. check your specks! ..you aint drawing the parallels right


Moreover the Indian government which has acted with such briskness against its own citizens is reluctant to pursue military means to end the terrorist camps in POK which keeps fueling the insurgency in the Kashmir valley.They of course know very well the lethal potential of following such a course of action against a nuclear armed neighbor. 

The nuclear armed neighbor hoax is just that...a hoax .Pakistan and india know that Pakistan cannot exercise this option.Their generals recently admitted that they can never have an upper hand.Its the spinelessness of our govt that it refused to act

Somehow while the lathicharge of Baba Ramdev and his supporters made it to the national headlines as an act of government brutality, the acts of the Indian Army against the Kashmiri civilians are actually applauded in mainstream Indian society as being in national spirit.

brutally beating a crowd of silent protestors who are protesting against corruption is okay? where do live ? 10 janpath? 

and how can you compare this attrocity to  the collateral damage caused by army or stone pelters in an anti india riot.

In fact some officers in the army have won medals after having killed civilians in cold blood and passed them of as Pakistan trained insurgents.

there's just one such incidence and the officers have been court marshaled and jailed for life, while the militants are busy slitting throats of Christian gals... with zero protests in the valley. It;s easier for them to blame the army and amnesty would e quick to add these false accounts to its dossier.


The Kashmir valley remains the most heavily militarized area in the world with over 800,000 troops for 11 million civilians. Compare that to the national average of 1 policeman per 1000 civilians.

This again is false. Check the facts ..not from amnesty please.

Regarding the radical threat in Bengal and Kerala, both have a Hindu majority and there hasn’t been a single incident of violence of Islamic radicalism in either state even as both states have witnessed civil unrest and violence regarding forcible land acquisition, directed by the populace towards the ruling governments.

just because its not being reported by main stream media does not mean its not happening. It's only when a christian professors hands are chopped or Muslim boy is murdered  by a rich Hindu that we get to hear it in the main stream news. If on the same day a hindu boy was beheaded by a Muslim or a Hindu temple was desecrated by Muslims or Christians (Deganga) , that is filtered out. After all these are  evangelist sponsored media houses, who are bloody Hindus to demand coverage on a private news channel? right?


Moreover the naxalite threat in Bengal is more acute than the Islamic one. So what action do you propose should be taken in the absence of any manifestation of the supposed threat?

the cadres joining the naxals are illegal Muslim Bangladeshi immigrants..so there's your connection .So deal with both at the same time.

Coming to your Baba Ramdev, was this the very Baba who set up facilities worth Rs. 18 crore including air conditioners before beginning his satyagrah unto death against the ruling government.

what;s wrong in using peoples donated money for proving a comfortable place to protest in the simmering June summer?

Rather than asking the corrupt politicians as to where do they get the money to buy pseudo-protesters and suppoerters 1000 bucks a head from, you are questioning the legit spend on tents for people who would come voluntarily and fast there?
If it was, you would know, that while Anna Hazare according to you slept with the congress, this Baba cut a deal with the congress pledging to end the fast within a day without informing his followers who had gathered from all corners of the country.

he was naive indeed to believe that his letter was meant for the prime minister. Otherwise , tell me  a simple thing..when sibbal said that he would not bring an ordinance but just setup a committee ..what was the need for baa ramdev to feel cheated ? He could have settled for the same and come out a winner!
Anna and his gang are looking for givt jobs in the lokpal panel. One condition they have put in their draft is that the person must e a Magsaysay award winner..this is called an elimination criteria .The fake swami agnivesh and left brigade stopped to the lowest levels to appease the congress because there motive was to become part of the panel no matter what happens to corruption.
And when he was baton charged, frightened for his life he escaped into the women’s section of the crowd and tried to hide from the police wearing a salwar kameez borrowed from his lady devotee. 

I was watching the whole thing live. The moment he offered to court arrest, they fired tear gas sheels in the oandal. if you read Rajat Sharma's article, Ramdev had told him in the afternoon oitself that they are planning to attack peaceful people and in the mayhem that would follow they plan to eliminate him.

read the whole account here:http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/India/Congress_Midsummer_Folly_Rajat_Sharma-8347.html

its in these circumstances that he chose not to die inconsequentially and you will see in the coming days that he made the right decision .It's a personal embarrassment for him , but that's nothing compared to the mission that is still incomplete.

Then resuming his fast unto death from his ashram in Haridwar he went on prime time TV declaring his ownership of an over Rs. 1100 crore of the Patanjali Yog Peeth empire along with his aide Balakrishna. Following that, this veteran of the kapalbhati could no longer carry out his fast and weak and malnourished landed into hospital into the care of doctors whose practice of modern medicine he earlier decried as being ineffective and useless. 

He never decried modern medicine as useless. as for his stamina , say whatever , but ring me a someone who walked 1lakh kilometers , addressed and awakened  10 crore people directly and then for 9 days kept a fast , speaking to the audience at the pitch of his voice and doing yogasanas in the morning,day and night..and then tell me that he failed.

The 11,00 crores have been donated y the people who have befeited from his programs. He is no HHSSRS to charge people exorbitantly..since the last two years he conducts yoga classes for free. 

as a contrast please note that sonia ji's foreign travel cost is 11,00 crores..and now i know you wont find that objectionable at all..only hindus are to be slandered why trouble a pious christian soul..right?

Finally our very own HHSSRS “persuaded” him to accept a glass of juice and end his fast unto death. The multi billionaire yogi, owner of the Cumbrae Island in Scotland worth 2 million British pounds, yoga master to the country, was able to fast against corruption for all of nine days, and ended his fast in the very same hospital that Baba Nigamanand, fasting in protest of the BJP government sanctioned sand mining along the banks of his beloved Ganges, died after 115 days of fasting. Indeed how many multi billionaires have we heard of who fasted to death.

The island was donated by a follower. Nigamanand was not fasting against the mining as the givt had already agreed to stop the mining in his previous fast. he was fasting for cleaning up of the ganga.which the congress states are polluting without compunction.

So for elites such as me social activists such as Anna Hazare, who as an army man had been strafed by Pakistani jets and had seen his comrades fall , with his zero bank balance will have to be the representative for the common man in the fight against corruption. 

I don't know what are the bare minimums to qualify as an elite..but given anna's education  i could qualify too .and from where i stand i see this anna as the same guy who called off his fasts in maharashtra when he came to know that the ministers wont budge.He;s a shrewd politician who is a dictator in his kingdom ralegaon. you have to be there to know what kind of a gandhian he actually is.

Anyways seems like your Baba Ramdev has again approached Anna, yes the one who according to you slept with the congress, to include him among the activists, you know the ones hankering after the Magsaysay prize, for the fast scheduled to start form 15 th Aug. if the Lokpal bill isn’t passed by then.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Anna-Hazare-puts-conditions-for-Baba-Ramdev-to-join-fast/articleshow/9011200.cms

As i said, Baba ramdev is naive no doubt. He needs some smart guys to remind him that anna is snubbing him just like HHSSRS did after getting him to break his fast and then declaring i don;t approve of ramdev;s methods ..i ama messiah of peace.

Anna and the others are parasites.1 lakh people gathered in ramlila maidan..none of them elite ..the common man came there much to the dislike of "elites". Ramdev will come back with a bang..so why am i defending him so much .. wait for september !

Regarding your ideas of sensitizing this baba to homosexuality, you will find it the least of your problems. For high on the list of the to do items in the Rashtradharm document is the creation of ‘Akhand Bharat”, the dream of the RSS, which includes modern day India along with present day Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Kailash Manasarovar.

Let them dream..i am not a party to any such thought ..nor are the majority of Hindus. what we want is an appeasement free and truly secular India.
To obtain this entity, India will have to go war with four countries out of which two are declared nuclear powers and have no love lost for India. Pls. do sensitize him to this fact, if he is serious, and if he is not, congratulate him on a brilliant concept to win more followers. I’m sure you can do this since you have already indicated your are on talking terms with him.

you mixed up ramdev;s bharat swabhiman with RSS akhand bharat ? but guess one has to do this kind of stuff ..the pastors job aint easy i understand.as i said, i don;t want the akhand bharat of the RSS kind ..i want my Bharat whatever it is today to remain akhand ..free from evangelists trying to tear it apart from NE and free from Islamic radicals tearing it apart from kerala and kashmir and bengal and free from naxals toppling it upside down from within.

You can purchase all your dreams of grandiosity and glory; only pay the price for it.

the grand dream is a far cry ...the burning question is how to stop ythese evangelists and radicals and naxals from snatching away whatever we have . hope you'll join the cause