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The law of absolute right

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I received this information in an email advertisement from PJ Media, so I thought I would post it as a blog entry so that I could link to it for everyone's benefit. Whether Muslim or non-Muslim, secular or religious, these principles are valuable for all.

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If you were asked to surrender your will, would you? Probably not. But have you considered the countless times people do surrender their will every day? "No," you say, "I don't, and I never would!"

Well, think about how you surrender your will to the laws of nature. Do you argue with gravity, ignore friction, grab a live wire, lean to the left when turning right? People have learned to surrender to the natural laws they call laws of physics. But there is a natural law that virtually everybody on the planet has been ignoring.

In the past century, a natural law of behavior was identified by Richard W. Wetherill. In 1952 he presented it in the book, Tower of Babel. He called it the law of absolute right, and it specifies rational and honest thinking and behavior to replace choices based on people's likes and dislikes, judgments and beliefs.

Nature's law of absolute right states that only right action gets right results. As with all natural laws, if wrong results occur, the law was somehow contradicted, showing that this law is the final arbiter of what is right behavior.

What kinds of results are presently occurring? The news media report on terror attacks, uprisings and riots, natural disasters, and afflictions labeled "cause unknown."

At this point you might be wondering, who thinks that conforming to a natural law could stop all those wrong results?

The answer comes from persons who have surrendered their will to the law of right behavior. Enthusiastically they report right results when they respond rationally and honestly to whatever life delivers.

Clearly people's safety and security exist in trusting the laws of creation rather than the laws and beliefs of human origin. Natural laws require the action each law calls for to enable it to complete its intended, rightful purpose.

So to achieve success at whatever activity or task people engage in, they instinctively know they must obey nature's laws of physics.

Prior to the identification of natural laws, the ancients worshipped natural phenomena and/or idols. It required aeons until people identified the laws of nature, creating forces to safely guide their activities.

Think of natural laws as expressing the will of the creator, and thereby creation's plan of life for mankind. Rational and honest compliance is the surrender that enables people to resolve past mistakes, and provides them with a meaningful, productive future.

With the aid of scientific research over the years, people have learned that the functioning of natural laws controls their resulting right or wrong output when their input conforms to that specific law or instead is somehow noncompliant.

Examples with regard to laws of physics such as gravity, chemistry, and electricity probably come to mind.

Since the created laws of physics are autonomous and self-enforcing, people have learned to carefully conform to each law of physics to ensure their safety and well-being.

What only a comparatively few people have learned is that there is a little-known, overweening natural law that controls the right or wrong results that develop from our every thought and action.

In the past century, the late Richard W. Wetherill identified a natural law of behavior that he and now a group of his former students have been presenting to the public for several decades. But despite the fact that nearly 300,000 people worldwide have visited our Website as of October 2011, more people are needed that understand the law's basic message and will help by sending others to our website: alphapub.com.

Nature's behavioral law is also autonomous and self-enforcing as evidenced by people's failures to resolve their wrong results, destroying one civilization after another.

The use of every philosophical, scientific, practical, or religious approach of man did not nor could not resolve society's escalating problems and trouble. Today, levels of crime, corruption, mental disorders, and rebellious rioting continue spiraling upward in our growing population. What a depressing list of wrong results!

But, "be of good cheer, the solution is here." It is found in creation's natural law of absolute right mentioned above.

Could the entire human race have been consistently defying that natural law for eons? The brief answer is "yes." And that defiance is stopped only when people accord to nature's behavioral law, calling for their attitude and behavior to comply with creation's law of absolute right.

In order to survive, this civilization must conform to the creator's formula for life, calling for behavior that the law deems is rational and honest in what is thought, said, and done.

Prevalent blocks preventing people from conforming are their desires to get their way or to get notoriety and credit for what they believe are their efforts: money, careers, and prominent positions. All such prideful behavior is inappropriate when you consider that everybody's very existence is a gift of creation.

There needs to be a realization that in the end, people have been paying with their lives for their misbehavior regarding the law of absolute right.

That tells it like it is!

Whether anybody likes it or not, only rational, honest people are able to serve the purposes of creation's plan of life.

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Humanitas versus Barbaritas: Or How to Be a Humanist and Really Like It

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A frequent topic that recurs in discussions of Islam and Western Civilization is Samuel P. Huntington's book, The Clash of Civilizations. But this is somewhat of a misnomer because the friction between Islam and the West is really only the same age-old conflict between civilization and barbarianism, or as the classical scholars put it in Latin, humanitas versus barbaritas. Muslims in the comments sections get offended when I put it this way, or if I say they are barbarians or savages. So I thought it might be useful to provide a definition of the terms in order to clarify the conversation.

Barbarianism is just the absence of, or the opposite of, humanism, so I am here presenting a small article from the work of Dr. L.H. Peer on humanism. As an internationally recognized scholar published in peer-reviewed academic journals, his definition is authoritative, but I would like to add some caveats because there are some differences between technical academic terms and the way they are used in popular speech, and also between the standards applicable to academic rigor and those applicable to the general public.

For example, Dr. Peer insists that no one has a right to make a comment about a topic if he has not read everything that has been published on the subject (and in the original language at that), and cites the example that even though your specialty might be Shakespearean literature, you don't know if an article published in a peer-reviewed academic journal in, say, Czechoslovakia might change the entire premise of the paper you intend to write. While it is appropriate to insist that a scholar review all the thousand or whatever documents before critiquing somebody else's conclusions in his review of the thousand or so documents on a topic, for the general public's general knowledge, it is not practical to insist that the layman do so as well. That is why we have scholars, peer-reviewed academic journals, scholarly standards, and academic rigor. We trust those who have expertise in subjects to publish the take-away information from the voluminous topics in the books they write. Then we as laymen in the subjects can read the book that is recognized as the authoritative state of the art in a topic, and maybe another one or two for a second and third opinion, and feel that we are adequately informed on the topic at hand.

Additionally, in modern speech we take humanism to be a secular view, but that is not the technical academic meaning of the term, so Dr. Peer talks at length about the correct definition of humanism. I am not saying that people should not use humanism in a secular way since that is the way people use the term. That is a matter of the difference between prescriptive and descriptive linguistics. What I am saying is that an informed person should know the difference between the usages.

So without further ado, I present:

Humanitas in the Scriptures; or, How to Be a Humanist and Really Like It

Dr. L. H. Peer

There is always a chance that when a person speaks of a matter he may not get it straight. It depends on how many skills one has and how many texts one has actually read. Sometimes, in other words, people don't have all the facts in mind. The story is told about the little nun who was in the hospital and saw a man in the waiting room. He was pacing back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and she felt she should comfort him a bit, and so she went up to him and said, "Sir I can tell just from looking at you what your problem is and all about you." And she said, "Can you sister?" She said, "For example, I can tell that your wife is here and that she is having a baby." He said, "Yes, you're right." And she said, "It's your first baby." He said, "No sister, as a matter of fact, this is our twelth baby." "Oh," she said. "You must be a fine Catholic family." "No, as a matter of fact," he said, "we're Mormon." This froze her, and she started off down the hall. Meeting another nurse, she said, "Be careful when you pass that waiting room. There's a sex maniac in there." You see, it's all in the point of view, which point of view depends on how much knowledge one has of the actual situation.

The same is true of the so-called "problem of humanism" and the humanities in the Church. The English language concept of humanism and the humanities themselves is based upon the Latin term, humanitas. The populatiry of this term is the result of Renaissance thinking and is a reflection of a certain attitude of mind attaching prime importance to establishing higher spiritual values in the world, for freeing Christianity from superstition, and for giving the Christian soul the human virtues without which no progress on the road toward perfection is possible.[1] Humanism is the name of this attitude.

The use of the term actually is traceable to a circle around the younger Scipio, with Cicero its belated yet most explicit spokesman. Cicero used the term to mean that quality which distinguishes men, not only from animals, but also, and even more so, from him who belongs to the species homo but who is a barbarian, a vulgar technocrat or professional who lacks pietes, that is, respect for moral and spiritual values as paramount in human existence.

The establishment of the attitude named "humanism" is traceable to the fourteenth-century Italian Petrarch,[2] whose scholarly honesty and enthusiam for what the vital componants of any Christian life were led to his belief that the study of certain types of subject matter were keys to, as we would put it, bearing intelligent testimony on the gospel. All spirituality, according to humanism, is based upon the antithesis between humanitas and barbaritas, or between man in his godliness and man in his natural state. One attains spirituality through constant and intelligent mental and behavioral effort, rooted in the study of texts which give perspective and which keep us from provincialism. For Petrarch this effort became centered on the classical authors of Greece and Rome, the most available texts in his time. Thus, the study of Classical texts became a cornerstone of what in the Renaissance were called the humanities, since they helped prepare the way for a Christian mentality. Humanism is the conviction that man in his spiritual maturity has dignity and worth and that he attains spiritual maturity by study and by faith.

Of course, in the Middle Ages (perhaps as a result of the apostasy from the primitive church) an underground movement began which viewed man as incapable of attaining spiritual maturity. This medieval version of modern-day anti-humanism has had its followers own through the ages, and humanism has been attacked from time to time. Most recently in the camp of the barbarians are those who deny human values: the determinists of all colors, whether they believe in divine, physical, or social predestination, and the scientific-technical authoritarians.

One basic fact should be fully acknowledged, and this is that currently held views about the humanism of the Renaissance which link the study of classical literature to the beginnings of scientific naturalism and the spread of a secular vision of the world have no historical basis whatsoever. This has been demonstrated many times in scholarly works of the past century; in our own time, most particularly by the great Neapolitan scholar, Toffanin.[3] Humanism, by definition, is linked to a Christian as opposed to pagan sense of things. The idea that humanism and humanities represent a secular view of the world and something anti-religious is the result of opinions set forth in the 16th century by the Protestant Reformation for propaganda purposes.[4] For Luther, as is known, every aspect of the Italian Renaissance spelled paganism and corruption of the Christian faith. And, as with almost everything, he homogenized this distrust of the Italian Renaissance in such a way as to include a total misunderstanding of the concept of humanism. This misunderstanding has come down into the Protestant cultural traditions of our own day, for example, in that of the United States. It is because of the Protestant mentality that the words "humanism" and "humanities" have become synonymous with secularism and rejection of the basic tenets of Christian faith. This is, of course, not the only egregious and frightening error perpetuated by the Protestant mentality, which mentality to some extent exists among large numbers of the Church today.

The truth of the matter is that humanism and the humanities are not the study of classical antiquity per se, nor are they representative of a secular point of view about the world. To repeat, humanism is an attitude about reality. Petrarch used the texts of classical antiquity to buttress this attitude. He and other humanists could have and would have used any important texts to buttress the attitude. It just happened that classical texts were the most available. The attitude is that all human values have to be rooted in essential religious truths; that man's relationship to God is the key to all existence; that man has absolute free will which he must exercise in order to earn his freedom; and that the metaphysical, ethical, and aesthetic standards of man have to have some innate connection with spiritual realities in order to be valid.

So we see that the tendency in recent years to use the term humanism to refer to value systems that emphasize the personal worth of each individual but that do not include a belief in God is just plain backwards. This kind of definition of humanism is adhered to by those who have never studied the issue and who consciously or ignorantly pander contemporary cliches to the unwary public. Of course, this problem is not limited to the definition and understanding of humanism and the humanities. It is a basic difficulty of all unthinking and unlearned people in all times and in all places. It is the difficulty of speaking without having studied the issue out in one's mind. It is unfortunate, however, that the misunderstanding represents such a broadly based issue and therefore tends to lead astray large numbers of people than some other kinds of misunderstandings which are current.

The great irony in all this is that the scriptures all but force us to take a humanistic attitude towards man and his products. That is, it is directly in the scriptures that we find the ultimate justification for the definition of humanism and the humanities and the study of the humanities which was originally attached to the word when it came into Western civilization. The first and most obvious point that the scriptures make which is a perfectly humanistic attitude is that we human beings must have a special attitude towards the great texts. You might say that the scriptures insist upon texts being our main buttress as we seek to keep our testimonies alive. To put it another way, the scriptures often insist that we study good books in order to buttress and further our testimonies of religious truth. This is exactly what Petrarch said about the term, "humanities". There are, of course, many statements by the presiding authorities and in the scriptures concerning this matter. Everyone knows this one from the Doctrine and Covenants -- notice carefully exactly what it says -- "And as all have not faith, seek ye diligently and teach one another words of wisdom. Yea, seek ye out of the best books words of wisdom. Seek learning even by study and also by faith." (D&C 18:118)

This is that passage which is subjected to much convenient surgery. What usually remains in any quotation from it is "Seek ye out of the best books", which then becomes justification for subscriptions to so-called Great Books Clubs, memberships in so-called cultural groups, quoting from irrelevant and usually irreverent world authors in church talks (once I even heard a quote from Norman Mailer), preparing volumes of sodden sentimentality which passes off as so-called good work, and a variety of other things extraneous to the scriptural context. Without too much elaboration at this point, it is necessary to note that the point of this passage is faith, not rhapsodic excursions into the authors of every book ever printed. The point is the exact same one that Petrarch made about the humanities; that is, we must teach one another words of wisdom from the best books because we know what words of wisdom are through the spirit of the Holy Ghost. The humanities were the first and remained the center of discipline in insisting that the reading of books is not by study alone but also by faith. And one who has this attitude is called a "humanist".

The issue here is far-reaching and central to the purposes of mortality. Man is the only animal to leave records behind him, for he is the only animal whose products recall to mind an idea distinct from their material existence. Other animals use signs and contrive structures, but they are signs without perceiving, as Jacques Maritain[5] would put it, the relation of signification. To perceive the relation of signification is to separate the idea of the concept to be expressed from the means of expression. And to perceive the relation of construction is to separate the idea of the function to be filled from the means of fulfilling it. A dog announces the approach of a stranger by a bark quite different from that by which he makes known his wish to go out. But he will not use this particular bark to convey the idea that a stranger has called during the master's absence. Beavers build dams, but they are unable, so far as we know, to create the very complicated actions involved from a premeditated plan which is laid down in a drawing and abstracted into an aesthetic object; they just materialize an actual idea. Man's signs and structures are records because they express ideas separated from the processes of signaling and building. These records have therefore the quality of emerging from the stream of time, and it is precisely in this respect that they are studied by the humanist. The scientist, too, deals with human records, but not as something to be investigated, rather as something which helps him to investigate. He is interested in records not in so far as they emerge from time, but in so far as they are absorbed into it. If a scientist studies the works of Newton and Leonardo in the original, he does so not as a scientist but as a humanist, as one interested in the history of science through scientific texts which have autonomous meanings and lasting value.

Thus, the scriptural attitude towards books and records is precisely a humanistic one; that is, it is not interested in transforming the chaotic variety of natural phenomena into a cosmos of nature (as science does), but is insistent upon transforming the chaotic variety of human records into a cosmos of culture (as a humanist does), specifically a godly culture.

Another scripture on books is in the Old Testament. "Of making books there is no end and much study is just a weariness of the flesh". (Ecclesiastes 12:12) I have the feeling this is the attitude most congenial to most university students and some professors. Anyway, it is in just such a scriptural passage as this that we are made aware that is it possible to read too many books to no avail. What is necessary is an essential Christian and religious attitude. This reminds me of an introduction to a volume on 18th century English literature I have used in some courses.

Part of the composure of educated men in the 18th century came from their powers still to digest what was known, but since then men have become plagued with mental dyspepsia. Perhaps our posterity may one day wonder as much at the excess of the superfluities we cram into our heads as we wonder now at the excess of superfluities our ancestors crammed into their bellies. Many of them overate. Many of us over-read. Few moderns are mental economists. Given the limited capacity of human memory, the limited length of human life, it becomes ever more vital to select and define the principle of selection. For today, more than ever, any person of sense must constantly cry out like the wise old cynic at the fair, "Immortal gods, what a mass of things that Diogenes does not need to know!" Knowledge, too, includes a large and crowded Vanity Fair. It seems to me mere common sense never to undertake a piece of work or to read a book without asking, "Is it worth the amount of life it will cost?" Never pursue any kind of knowledge without demanding, "Will it make life more vivid, more intelligent, more complete, more real?"

The point here is that the humanities has always been the one discipline that has insisted that any kind of knowledge is only good insofar as it makes life more vivid, more intelligent, more complete, and more real. The humanities has been the central discipline that has always insisted that one does not obtain knowledge in order to train for a job or in order to go out in the world and serve mammon, or to put it another way, to make money.

This function of a university, centering a spiritual, liberal arts, humanistic education in the humanities (which, of course, is the central function of a university by definition), was pointed out by President Kimball in his Second Century Address (October 10, 1975). "Learn everything that the children of men know, and be prepared for the most refined society upon the face of the earth, then improve on this until we are all prepared and permitted to enter the society of the blessed..." This could have been uttered by Petrarch, Ficino, or Pomponazzi; in fact, it could serve as almost a word-for-word translation of several passages in Ficino's commentary on Plato's Symposium. Furthermore, President Kimball insisted, "we do not want BYU to ever become an educational factory. It must concern itself with not only the dispensing of facts, but with the preparation of its students to take their place in society as thinking, thoughtful, and sensitive individuals who ... come here dedicated to the love of God, pursuit of truth, and service to mankind." Notice that like the humanists' statements, this one does not mention vocational, technical, or professional training as the business of the university.

In a hard-hitting sermon concerning the same subject, President Taylor urged the nineteenth-century saints to grow up in their attitudes towards education. "... education which but amounts to outward appearance and applies to conveniences of this life is very far short of that education and intelligence which immortal beings ought to be in possesion of" (Journal of Discourses, V. 259). Again, a statement which could have been taken right from Petrarch or any other humanist.

Orson Hyde decried the tendency of some members of the Church to take the fact of inspiration as superceding the necessity of studying languages, literature, the arts, and history (Journal of Discourses, VII, 68). Speaking of the study of language, he said that it "requires much mental labor. The lazy and inactive mind cannot penetrate far into the intricacies of language...", which might account for the fact that so many of our students and so-called learned men do not deal with things in the original. But, back to this point in a moment.

Here is a third scripture -- note that it is given as a commandment. "Set in order the churches and study and learn and become acquainted with all good books and with languages, tongues, and people. And this shall be your business and mission in all your lives -- to preside in council and set in order all the affairs of this church and kingdom." (D&C 90) Again a scriptural passage that speaks in the exact same language and says the precise same things as the humanities have insisted upon since their inception. Namely, that the study of texts, that skill in several languages, that an understanding of human history and philosophy is central, not only to our own spiritual welfare, but in order to set in proper place the affairs of the Church and the kingdom. This is incredible some will murmur. Okay, it is incredible, but we are explicitly told to become acquainted with all things in the humanities; that this indeed is our very mission in life so we can have the affairs of the Church in order and also ourselves and our dominions. A key here -- one which Petrarch would have fully appreciated -- is that we have to know languages. This is obvious since most of the great and good books are not written in English, and of course a translation will never do. This represents another curiosity in the Church today -- there are people who settle for translations. They are like the man who says he doesn't have to read the conference talks in the Ensign because the conference will be reported in Time magazine which he does read. Translation, like a news broadcast, is only an opinion. Of all the people in the world, we Latter-day Saints do not settle for translations; that is, we don't settle for them if we have a testimony of the gospel. Put in another way, we would say that we just don't accept a substitute for the real thing. If Joseph Smith had the attitude of some so-called LDS scholars about translations, he would have never cared to get the real thing and would have become a good solid Methodist or Presbyterian.

The remainder of this scriptural passage is a real grabber. "Be not ashamed, neither confounded by this commandment. Be admonished with this commandment in your pride. Set in order your houses." Well here it is again. This is what the humanities have always said. Have you ever wondered why some families in the Church are broken, relationships are confused, children loud-mouthed and undisciplined, 18-year-old kids coming to the university who aren't ready to study yet, people who come to the age of 17 or 18 without foreign languages or without a knowledge of music? It is because these families do not have a humanistic, scriptural, Christian attitude. Some of the families probably do not have any good books, indeed, they probably think that reading newspapers and magazines, watching TV and going to the garden club, and attending Relief Society every week will fill the bill. What these scriptures say is that we must have a humanistic attitude. To not do so is at the very peril of our membership and standing in the Church.

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There are several implications for what has been said. I'll just pick a random sample.

The first is that being a humanist is being the kind of person who knows why the gospel of Jesus Christ is true.

The second is that the humanistic attitude keeps members of the Church from making ridiculous, simple-minded statements about the gospel. In addition, it protects them from homogenizing their attitudes and the complexity of concepts which the Church and kingdom represent.

The third implication is that a Latter-day Saint must have the same high sense of standards that was propounded originally by the humanists of the Renaissance. Such statements include the refusal to talk about something that has not been completely studied out in the light of all the documents that exist. They also include a refusal to talk about documents which have not been read (this refusal would go a long way to relieving the problem we have in university classrooms of people talking about authors, philosophers, historians, scientists, and so on, who can't read the languages in which these great thinkers of the world have written their documents.

A fourth implication would be that for the LDS scholar teaching at Brigham Young University a firm attitude of excellence in the classroom would prevail. In my capacity as a Branch President on campus I have received phone calls from mothers and fathers of the students in my branch, all of which center around the same concern, namely that their son or daughter is not getting enough social life and is lonely or unhappy at the university. I sympathize with this. But usually, the most appropriate comment to make to these parents is that the son or daughter that they are worried about is, after all, a student at a university. You see, if the student is not emotionally and intellectually prepared to come to BYU and spend the vast majority of his time studying everthing he can get his hands on, gladly going from daylight to dark digging through the great books, the son or daughter is not ready to come to Provo, Utah. If the son or daughter wants a fine social experience, or wants to avoid being lonely, or wants to make sure he has plenty of dating experiences, he better go to some other place. What we have in Provo, Utah is a university. There are those in the Church who, to this day, refuse to understand that a university demands a high level of emotional stability and intellectual excellence and, most particularly, highly developed skills in languages and mathematics, in music and reading. This attitude about higher learning is, of course, implicit in what the scriptures say and explicit in the definition of humanism.

In conclusion, there are four points about humanitas in the scriptures that it would help to know:

1. An honest person, a person who really has a testimony of the gospel of Jesus Christ, does not say something about something until he has read everything that has been said about it before, has studied it completely through, and has the necessary skills that qualify him to talk about it. This is a matter of just plain intellectual honesty to say nothing of spiritual honesty.

2. Humanism is an attitude that insists upon Christian principles as the basis of all reality, the attitude that there is a crucial difference between godly man (humanitas) and natural man (barbaritas) in humanism.

3. The corruption of the idea of humanism was due to the homogenizing simple-mindedness of the Protestant mentality which mentality still exists today, even in the Church.

4. Humanism and the study of the humanities (literature, comparative arts, languages, history, and philosophy) is absolutely essential for one's spiritual development.

So humanitas is central to us as members of the Church. We can be humanists and really like it if we are good members of the Church and really like it.

TERMINAL NOTES

1. A small sampling of studies that have proved this point beyond doubt are:

Rocco Montano, Dante e il Rinascimento (Naples, 1942).

Rocco Monatano, "Estetica nel pensiero cristiano", in Grande Antologia Filosofica, V, Pt. 2, Sect. 2, No. 2 (Milan, 1959).

Paul O. Kristeller, Renaissance Thought (New York, 1964).

Giuseppe Gentile, Studi sul Rinascimento (Florence, 1936).

Paul O. Kristeller, "Humanism and Scholasticism in the Italian Renaissance", Byzantion, XVII (1944-45), 346-74.

P. Monnier, Le Quattrocentro, (Paris, 1901).

A. Riekel, Die Philosophie der Renaissance (Munich, 1925).

G. Scitta, Il Pensiero Italiano nell'Umanesimo e nel Rinascimento (Bologna, 1949).

2. As pointed out by hundreds of scholars including a good one-book study, P. Nohac, Petrarque et l'humanisme (Paris, 1907). Some of the primary texts are Petrarch's Epistolae de rebus familiaribus, VI, 2, ed. F. Fracassetti (Florence, 1859) and Le Familiari, ed. V. Rossi (Florence, 1933-42).

3. Giuseppi Toffanin, Storia dell'Umanesimo (Bologna, 1952)

4. G. W. Forell, Active in Love: An Investigation of the Principles Underlying Luther's Social Ethics (New York, 1954). Rocco Mantano, "Humanistic Positions", Italian Quarterly, XIII, 50, (Fall, 1969), 3-31.

5. Jacques Maritain, "Sign and Symbol", Journal of the Warburg Institute, I (1937), pp. 1 ff.

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The Simple Koran and An Abridged Koran from the Center for the Study of Political Islam

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The Center for the Study of Political Islam has published a new translation of the Quran in Modern English by Bill Warner based on scientific analysis. It is integrated with the history and biography of Muhammed in the Sira and Hadith. He calls it "The Reconstructed Historical Koran". This is more than just presenting the suras in their order of appearance in the history, He has done further processing of the Quran as explained in this section from the Epilogue:

The Methodology of The Simple Koran

The Simple Koran is a reconstruction of the historical Koran of Mohammed's day. It was prepared by the CCC analytic method of:

Context - using Mohammed's life to give the circumstances and environment of the text.

Chronology - putting the verses in the original historical order.

Category - the method of grouping verses around the same subject. There can be discussion about which categories to use, but the Koranic persuasion method of categorization produces the simplest text. (see p. 385)

With the analysis tools of Context, Chronology and Category, the Koran becomes a clear and simple text. The CCC analytic method most closely duplicates the historical words spoken by Mohammed.

In scientific philosophy the term, Occam's Razor, refers to the theory that the simplest theory that will explain the facts is the best theory. Using the criteria of Occam's Razor shows that Context, Chronology and Category is the best method to show the meaning of the Koran. No other method produces clarity, hence the author's claim that CCC is the supreme method of organization of the Koran.

The classical method of presenting the Koranic text is based upon the length of the chapters. It starts with the longest sura and ends with the shortest sura. This methodology was devised by the secretary Zayd under the caliph, Umar, and there were arguments about it at the time. It is an arbitrary method of presenting the words spoken by Mohammed. It has failed to produce a text that can be easily understood. Mohammed did not produce or use the classical method of presenting the Koran.

The only disadvantage to this method is that it splits the Suras and spreads the text throughout the Sunna, so you need an index to find a reference. Unfortunately, an index is not provided, so I created one myself. I am attaching two versions to the end of this article for the benefit of those who have this translation and need the index. Others may also like to look to see how it is organized. The first shows the Quran in chronological order, and the second shows the Quran in the normal Sura order. The latter is what is really needed to find a verse in this Quran. In the process of indexing, I discovered some verse numbers that were out of sync by one verse, particularly in Sura 3. My index corrects these errors. There are also some blanks where I was unable to locate a few verses. CSPI uses the Noldeke-Schwally sura order. This interesting chart from the University of North Carolina will also help you to understand the sura fragmentation:

http://www.unc.edu/~cernst/chronology.htm

Warner has also created "An Abridged Koran". This is not an abridgement in the normal sense because it only deletes the duplications. He uses the example that the story of Moses and Pharoah is repeated 30 times. In my index I show if a verse block also appears in the Abridged Koran with an "A:" to the right side. With my index you thus get a quick overview of what is included in An Abridged Koran.

I think you will agree that the clarity of the English improves your reading experience. When the language of the Quran is difficult to understand, it distracts from the message you are trying to understand while your mind tries to process what the Quran is saying. But the real power of these editions is seeing the suras in the context of their historical setting in the Sunna. When you see the situation that led to each sura, it becomes very obvious what Muhammad was doing and what he was trying to gain or justify with each sura he wrote.

Here are some links for further reading about these editions:

A Simple Koran:

http://www.politicalislam.com/store/primary-doctrine-books/product/a-simple-koran//

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A Map and Chronology for A Simple Koran and An Abridged Koran

Abridged Koran page numbers appear to the right marked with "A:"

Column C = Sura ordinal number, (chronological order per Noldeke-Schwally )

Column A = Sura Number, Arabic Text

CH = Chapter Heading

English titles per Rodwell

Early Meccan

C A Sura Title

1 96 Thick Blood or Clots of Blood, 19 verses

v1-5 p6 A: p6

v6-19 p32 A: p19

2 74 The Enwrapped, 56 verses

v1-10 p6

v11-56 p33 A: p20

3 111 Abu Lahab, 5 verses

v1-5 p35 A: p21

4 106 The Koreisch, 4 verses

v1-4 p8

5 108 The Abundance, 3 verses

v1-3 p35

6 104 The Backbiter, 9 verses

v1-9 p35

7 107 Religion, 7 verses

v1-7 p8 A: p8

8 102 Desire, 8 verses

v1-8 p9

9 105 The Elephant, 5 verses

v1-5 p35

10 92 The Night, 21 verses

v1-4 p21

v5-21 p9 A: p8

11 90 The Soil, 20 verses

v1-20 p33

12 94 The Opening, 8 verses

v1-8 p23 A: p15

13 93 The Brightness, 11 verses

v1-11 p8 A: p7

14 97 Power, 5 verses

v1-5 p7 A: p6

15 86 The Night-Comer, 17 verses

v1-4 p21

v5-10 p9

v11-14 p21

v15-17 p49

16 91 The Sun, 15 verses

v1-10 p21

v11-15 p28

17 80 He Frowned, 42 verses

v1-10 p23

v11-42 p12

18 68 The Pen, 52 verses

v1-16 p31 A: p19

v17-41 p19 A: p13

v42-52 p18

19 87 The Most High, 19 verses

v1-19 p11 A: p10

20 95 The Fig, 8 verses

v1-8 p21 A: p8

21 103 The Afternoon, 3 verses

v1-3 p22

22 85 The Starry, 22 verses

v1-3 p22

v4-22 p30

23 73 The Enfolded, 20 verses

v1-9 p10 A: p9

v10-19 p25

v20 p10

24 101 The Blow, 11 verses

v1-11 p13

25 99 The Earthquake, 8 verses

v1-8 p14

26 82 The Cleaving, 19 verses

v1-19 p14

27 81 The Folded Up, 29 verses

v1-29 p23

28 53 The Star, 62 verses

v1-18 p32 A: p19

v19-32 p20 A: p14

v33-56 p34

v57-62 p7 , p34

29 84 The Splitting Asunder, 25 verses

v1-25 p24 A: p15

30 100 The Chargers, 11 verses

v1-11 p8

31 79 Those Who Drag Forth, 46 verses

v1-14 p26

v15-26 p12 A: p11

v27-46 p26

32 77 The Sent, 50 verses

v1-7 p22

v8-50 p15

33 78 The News, 40 verses

v1-40 p24

34 88 The Overshadowing, 26 verses

v1-26 p14 A: p11

35 89 The Daybreak, 30 verses

v1-5 p22

v6-30 p29

36 75 The Resurrection, 40 verses

v1-40 p13

37 83 Those Who Stint, 36 verses

v1-36 p26 A: p16

38 69 The Inevitable, 52 verses

v1-52 p28 A: p17

39 51 The Scattering, 60 verses

v1-4 p22

v5-23 p27

v24-40 p12 A: p10

v41-55 p29

v56-60 p20 A: p14

40 52 The Mountain, 49 verses

v1-6 p22

v7-28 p15

v29-49 p22 A: p14

41 56 The Inevitable, 96 verses

v1-56 p16 A: p12

v57-74 p20

v75-80 p22

v81-96 p25

42 70 The Steps or Ascents, 44 verses

v1-21 p34

v22-35 p9 A: p8

v36-44 p25

43 55 The Merciful, 78 verses

v1-32 p7 A: p7

v33-78 p17

44 112 The Unity, 4 verses

v1-4 p20

45 109 Unbelievers, 6 verses

v1-6 p35

46 113 The Daybreak, 5 verses

v1-5 p9

47 114 Men, 6 verses

v1-6 p20 A: p14

48 1 Sura I., 7 verses

v1-7 p8 A: p8

Middle Meccan

49 54 The Moon, 55 verses

v1-8 p53

v9-55 p66

50 37 The Ranks, 182 verses

v1-10 p107

v11-74 p37 A: p23

v75-82 p75

v83-113 p78

v114-132 p86

v133-138 p82

v139-148 p80 A: p40

v149-182 p80

51 71 Noah, 28 verses

v1-28 p74 A: p38

52 76 Man, 31 verses

v1-3 p50

v4-31 p54 A: p29

53 44 Smoke, 59 verses

v1-6 p52 A: p29

v7-8 p42

v9-59 p67

54 50 Kaf, 45 verses

v1-35 p54

v36-45 p70

55 20 Ta. Ha., 135 verses

v1-98 p87 A: p42

v99-111 p60

v112-114 p60 A: p29

v115-126 p85 A: p42

v127-135 p56

56 26 The Poets, 227 verses

v1-9 p45 A: p26

v10-104 p90

v105-122 p75

v123-140 p71

v141-158 p70 A: p36

v159-175 p82

v176-191 p71

v192-203 p53 A: p29

v204-227 p65 A: p34

57 15 Hedjr, 99 verses

v1-15 p63 A: p33

v16-25 p50

v26-50 p105

v51-77 p81

v78-84 p72

v85-86 p51

v87-89 p65 A: p35

v90-99 p65

58 19 Mary, 98 verses

v1-15 p85

v16-40 p102 A: p52

v41-57 p78 A: p39

v58-63 p86

v64-65 p95 A: p46

v66-98 p38

59 38 Sad, 88 verses

v1-16 p61 A: p32

v17-26 p73 A: p37

v27-30 p56

v31-40 p84

v41-54 p77 A: p39

v55-70 p42 A: p24

v71-88 p107

60 36 Ya. Sin, 83 verses

v1-35 p69 A: p35

v36 p69

v37-44 p49

v45-76 p45

v77-83 p36

61 43 Ornaments of Gold, 89 verses

v1-4 p52

v5-20 p101

v21-25 p98 A: p49

v26-28 p79

v29-45 p101 A: p51

v46-56 p92

v57-67 p104

v68-80 p61 A: p31

v81-89 p104 A: p53

62 72 Djinn, 28 verses

v1-21 p108

v22-28 p56

63 67 The Kingdom, 30 verses

v1-4 p49 A: p27

v5 p109 A: p55

v6-30 p46 A: p26

64 23 The Believers, 118 verses

v1-11 p109 A: p55

v12-22 p51

v23-48 p75

v49-61 p51 A: p28

v62 p47 A: p28

v63-92 p47

v93-118 p57 A: p30

65 21 The Prophets, 112 verses

v1-15 p102 A: p52

v16-35 p42

v36-47 p58

v48-50 p92

v51-73 p79

v74-75 p82

v76-86 p76

v87-88 p81

v89-91 p86

v92-106 p38 A: p24

v107-112 p44 A: p26

66 25 Al Furkan, 77 verses

v1-2 p43

v3-6 p98 A: p49

v7-31 p62

v32-34 p36 A: p22

v35-37 p76, p93

v38-40 p72

v41-44 p65 A: p35

v45-55 p43 A: p25

v56-77 p40

67 17 The Night Journey, 111 verses

v1 p151 A: p69

v2-7 p99

v8-24 p59

v25-39 p109 A: p55

v40-44 p41

v45-52 p100 A: p51

v53-55 p100

v56-74 p106

v75-79 p66

v80-84 p52

v85-87 p97 A: p48

v88-100 p97 A: p48

v101-104 p93

v105-109 p52

v110-111 p110

68 27 The Ant, 93 verses

v1-6 p53

v7-14 p93

v15-44 p83 A: p40

v45-53 p71 A: p37

v54-58 p82

v59-75 p48

v76-85 p99 A: p50

v86-88 p50

v89-93 p52 A: p28

69 18 The Cave, 110 verses

v1-8 p105

v9-26 p95 A: p46

v27-31 p59

v32-44 p72

v45-46 p52

v47-53 p41

v54-59 p36 A: p22

v60-82 p93

v83-98 p97 A: p48

v99-108 p58 A: p31

v109-110 p44

Late Meccan

70 32 Adoration, 30 verses

v1-3 p150 A: p69

v4-22 p180 A: p83

v23-30 p193

71 41 The Made Plain, 54 verses

v1-3 p194

v4-25 p194 A: p88

v26-32 p191

v33-44 p124

v45 p173

v46 p207

v47-54 p138 A: p65

72 45 The Kneeling, 37 verses

v1-13 p136

v14-15 p207

v16-17 p173 A: p79

v18-37 p181

73 16 The Bee, 128 verses

v1-18 p208

v19-42 p184

v43-44 p172

v45-52 p177

v53-64 p139

v65-81 p208 A: p96

v82-89 p140

v90-92 p111

v93-97 p201 A: p94

v98-100 p111 A: p56

v101-103 p149 A: p68

v104-109 p112 A: p56

v110-115 p111

v116-128 p201 A: p94

74 30 The Greeks, 60 verses

v1-8 p193

v9-16 p195

v17-27 p137

v28-37 p202 A: p95

v38-39 p111

v40-45 p195

v46-57 p202

v58-60 p150

75 11 Houd, 123 verses

v1-2 p150

v 3-7.5 p209

v7-11 p185

v12-14 p150 A: p69

v15-17 p172

v18-24 p125

v25-49 p171

v50-60 p116 A: p58

v61-68 p119

v69-83 p120

v84-93 p117 A: p59

v94-102 p121

v103-110 p177

v111-123 p203 A: p95

76 14 Abraham, On Whom Be Peace, 52 verses

v1-2 p150

v3-4 p204

v5-17 p123 A: p60

v18-30 p210

v31 p204

v32-34 p211

v35-41 p160

v42-52 p178

77 12 Joseph, Peace Be On Him, 111 verses

v1-2 p150

v3-104 p153 A: p71

v105-111 p196

78 40 The Believer, 85 verses

v1-14 p125

v15-22 p140

v23-44 p166

v45-60 p130 A: p62

v61-85 p133 A: p63

79 28 The Story, 88 verses

v1-47 p164

v48-54 p173 A: p79

v55-68 p140

v69-75 p180

v76-82 p168

v83-84 p204

v85-88 p113

80 39 The Troops, 75 verses

v1-7 p211

v8-16 p219 A: p99

v17-26 p126

v27-28 p150

v29-31 p204

v32-48 p141

v49-52 p217

v53-75 p192

81 29 The Spider, 69 verses

v1-11 p221 A: p100

v12-19 p103

v20-35 p122

v36-37 p118

v38-40 p117

v41-43 p211

v44 p185 A: p85

v45 p114

v46 p173

v47-59 p185 A: p85

v60-69 p206

82 31 Lokman, 34 verses

v1-5 p150

v6-11 p124 A: p61

v12-19 p217

v20-25 p142

v26-34 p211

83 42 Counsel, 53 verses

v1-12 p212 A: p97

v13-26 p186

v27-34 p213

v35-48 p213 A: p61

v49-50 p214

v51-53 p114

84 10 Jonah, Peace Be On Him!, 109 verses

v1-21 p131

v22-23 p214

v24-44 p143

v45-56 p187

v57-70 p207

v71-93 p169 A: p77

v94-109 p138 A: p64

85 34 Saba, 54 verses

v1-2 p214

v3-9 p191 A: p88

v10-21 p168

v22-38 p178

v39-54 p114 A: p58

86 35 The Creator, or The Angels, 45 verses

v1-2 p214

v3-8 p127

v9-31 p214

v32 p207

v33-39 p127

v40-45 p133

87 7 Al Araf, 206 verses

v1-2 p114

v3-7 p196

v8-25 p200 A: p93

v26-34 p204

v35-53 p189 A: p86

v54-58 p205

v59-64 p160

v65-72 p119

v73-79 p120

v80-84 p122

v85-93 p118

v94-101 p196

v102

v103-156 p160

v157-158 p113 A: p57

v159-171 p173 A: p79

v172-178 p205

v179-188 p188 A: p86

v189-206 p179 A: p82

v204-206 p112 A: p56

88 46 Al Ahkaf, 35 verses

v1-3 p150

v4-12 p175 A: p80

v13-20 p130

v21-28 p117

v29-35 p199 A: p92

89 6 Cattle, 165 verses

v1-18 p188

v19-20 p174

v21-32 p146 A: p66

v33-36 p115

v37-49 p128

v50-53 p220

v54-65 p134

v66-73 p115

v74-88 p159

v89-94 p128

v95-115 p135

v116

v117-122 p110

v123-131 p176 A: p81

v132-151 p144

v152-155 p110

v156-165 p175

90 13 Thunder, 43 verses

v1-17 p216

v18-26 p129

v27-43 p182 A: p84

Medinan

91 2 The Cow, 286 verses

v1-5 p268

v6-7 p268 A: p107

v8-15 p225 A: p102

v16-20 p227 A: p104

v21-29 p259

v30-39 p320

v40-46 p236 A: p107

v47-62 p243

v63-66 p237 A: p108

v67-86 p244

v75-82 p236 A: p107

v87-91 p237

v92-105 p245

v102-103 p269 A: p123

v106-108 p268 A: p122

v109-123 p255

v124-134 p321

v135-141 p240 A: p110

v142-147 p241 A: p111

v148-150 p372

v151-158 p269

v159-163 p242 A: p112

v164-167 p259

v168-171 p242 A: p112

v172-173 p370 A: p189

v174-175 p240 A: p109

v176 p240

v177 p242

v178-182 p368 A: p189

v183-189 p372 A: p190

v190-195 p292 A: p136

v196-200.5 p373

v200.5-204 p270

v205-206 p230

v207-215 p310

v216-217 p283 A: p128

v218 p283 A: p128

v219 p378

v220 p368

v221-223 p363 A: p188

v224-243 p363

v244-246 p292 A: p136

v247-251 p324

v252-253 p256

v254 p278

v255 p278 A: p125

v256-257 p269

v258-259 p266 A: p122

v260 p322

v261-262 p293 A: p136

v263-272 p270

v273 p293

v274-275 p270

v276 p293

v277-283.5 p368

v284-285 p271

v286 p293

92 98 Clear Evidence, 8 verses

v1-8 p261 A: p119

93 64 Mutual Deceit, 18 verses

v1-10 p265 A: p121

v11-13 p278 A: p125

v14-18 p271

94 62 The Assembly, 11 verses

v1-4 p278 A: p125

v5-8 p246 A: p112

v9-11 p371

95 8 The Spoils, 75 verses

v1 p287 A: p130

v2-19 p287 A: p131

v20-21 p288 A: p132

v22-25 p272 A: p123

v26 p293

27-29 p272

v30-37 p223

v38-40 p289 A: p132

v41 p289 A: p133

v42-44 p289 A: p133

v45-50 p289 A: p133

v51 p290

v52-58 p261

v59-60 p293 A: p137

v61-64 p293

v65-69 p290 A: p134

v70-75 p294 A: p137

96 47 Muhammad, 38 verses

v1-9 p294 A: p137

v10-19 p265

v20-32 p230

v33-38 p295 A: p138

97 3 The Family of Imran, 200 verses

v1-6 p278 A: p126

v7-11 p268

v12-13 p300 A: p141

v14-17 p146

v18-19 p272

v20-27 p250 A: p114

v28 p148 A: p68

v29-32 p272

v33-43 p322

v44-53 p251 A: p115

v54-59 p252 A: p116

v60-63 p252

v64-65 p257 A: p118

v66-71 p241 A: p110

v72-83 p257

v84-85 p261

v86-89 p226 A: p103

v90-92 p230

v93-101 p246

v102-104 p272 A: p123

v105-117 p319

v118 p148 A: p68

v119-120

v121-129 p305 A: p146

v130-131 p367

v132-139 p306 A: p147

v140-141 p306 A: p147

v142-145 p307 A: p148

v146-148 p307 A: p148

v149-151 p307

v152-153 p308 A: p149

v154-155 p308 A: p149

v156-158 p309 A: p150

v159-160 p309

v161-164 p273

v165-174 p309 A: p150

v175-178 p310 A: p151

v179-180 p311 A: p151

v181-188 p246

v189-194 p267

v195-200 p311

98 61 Battle Array, 14 verses

v1-5 p295 A: p138

v6-9 p253 A: p117

v10-14 p296

99 57 Iron, 29 verses

v1-9 p278

v10-11 p296 A: p139

v12-15 p227 A: p104

v16-25 p273 A: p124

v26-29 p253

100 4 Women, 176 verses

v1 p272

v2-6 p365

v7-14 p369

v15-21 p366 A: p188

v22-28 p366

v29-32 p373

v33 p370

v34-35 p361 A: p187

v36-38 p373

v39-42 p274

v43

v44-47 p247 A: p113

v48 p279

v49-52 p315 A: p155

v53-56 p256 A: p118, p155

v57 p256 A: p118

v58

v59 p326 CH

v60-85 p326 A: p161

v86 p328

v87

v88 p296

v89-90 p148

v91 p296 A: p139

v92-93 p370 A: p189

v94-96 p296 A: p139

v97-99 p229 A: p105

v100-104 p297

v105-115 p231

v116-126 p260 A: p119

v127-130 p367

v131-137 p274

v138-139 p149 A: p105

v140-143 p231 A: p105

v144 p149

v145-149 p231 A: p105

v150-152 p227

v153-170 p248

v171-172 p253 A: p116

v173-175 p275

v176 p370

101 65 Divorce, 12 verses

v1-7 p362

v8-12 p262

102 59 The Emigration, 24 verses

v1 p279

v2 p314 A: p154

v3-6 p314 A: p154

v7-8 p314 A: p154

v9-10 p297

v11-20 p232

v21-24 p279

103 33 The Confederates, 73 verses

v1-3 p267 A: p122

v4-5 p336 A: p170

v6-8 p267

v9-17 p316 A: p156

v18-24 p317

v25-27 p319 A: p159

v28-35 p333 A: p167

v36-40 p336 A: p170

v41-44 p275

v45-48 p268

v49 p361

v50-52 p334 A: p168

v53-54 p343

v55 p337 A: p171

v56-58 p262

v59 p367

v60-73 p228

104 63 The Hypocrites, 11 verses

v1-11 p228

105 24 Light, 64 verses

v1-3 p331 A: p165

v4-10 p332, 377 A: p165

v11-25 p332 A: p165

v26

v27-29 p378

v30-33 p361 A: p187

v34-40 p279

v41-57 p280

v58-61 p377

v62-64 p315 A: p155

106 58 She Who Pleaded, 22 verses

v1-4 p362

v5-7 p262

v8-10 p233

v11-13 p342

v14-22 p249

107 22 The Pilgrimage, 78 verses

v1-16 p262 A: p120

v17 p275

v18-25 p263

v26-38 p370

v39-41 p297 A: p139

v42-51 p266

v52-57 p147 A: p67

v58-60 p298 A: p140

v61-69 p281

v70-77 p264

v78 p298 A: p140

108 48 The Victory, 29 verses

v1-14 p339

v15-16 p339

v17-29 p340

109 66 The Forbidding, 12 verses

v1-5 p335 A: p169

v6-12 p328 A: p163

110 60 She Who Is Tried, 13 verses

v1 p149

v2-7 p275 A: p124

v8-9 p270

v10-12 p341

v13 p149

111 110 HELP, 3 verses

v1-3 p356 A: p182

112 49 The Apartments, 18 verses

v1-8 p342

v9-10 p378 A: p190

v11-12 p378

v13-18 p328

113 9 Immunity, 129 verses

v1-6 p353 A: p180

v7-16 p298

v17-18 p354 A: p180

v19-22 p299 A: p140

v23-24 p148 A: p68

v25-27 p349 A: p177

v28 p354 A: p180

v29-35 p358 A: p184

v36-37 p374

v38-44 p354 A: p181

v45-50 p349 A: p177

v51-57 p350 A: p178

v58-59 p343

v60 p374

v61-64 p226 A: p103

v65-68 p226 A: p103

v69-72 p276

v73 p355 A: p181

v74 p225 A: p102

v75-80 p229

v81-83 p350 A: p178

v84 p355 A: p182

v85-94 p351 A: p178

v95-99 p350

v100 p299

v101-106 p233

v107-110 p352

v111 p355 A: p182

v112-116 p276

v117-119 p352

v120-121 p299 A: p140

v122-123 p353 A: p179

v124-129 p233

114 5 The Table, 120 verses

v1-6 p374

v7-11 p276

v12-13 p324 A: p159

v14-17 p359 A: p185

v18-19 p256

v20-26 p323

v27-35 p321

v36-37 p260

v38-40 p367 A: p189

v41-45 p325 A: p159

v46-48 p254

v49-50 p277

v51-54 p301 A: p142

v55-58 p277 A: p125

v57-58 p149 A: p68

v59-71 p238 A: p108

v72-76 p359 A: p185

v77-86 p239

v87-100 p376

v101-104 p277

v105-108 p374

v109-111 p251 A: p115

v112-120 p254 A: p117

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A Map and Chronology for A Simple Koran and An Abridged Koran

Abridged Koran page numbers appear to the right marked with "A:"

Column C = Sura ordinal number, (chronological order per Noldeke-Schwally )

Column A = Sura Number, Arabic Text

CH = Chapter Heading

English titles per Rodwell

Early Meccan

C A Sura Title

48 1 Sura I., 7 verses

v1-7 p8 A: p8

91 2 The Cow, 286 verses

v1-5 p268

v6-7 p268 A: p107

v8-15 p225 A: p102

v16-20 p227 A: p104

v21-29 p259

v30-39 p320

v40-46 p236 A: p107

v47-62 p243

v63-66 p237 A: p108

v67-86 p244

v75-82 p236 A: p107

v87-91 p237

v92-105 p245

v102-103 p269 A: p123

v106-108 p268 A: p122

v109-123 p255

v124-134 p321

v135-141 p240 A: p110

v142-147 p241 A: p111

v148-150 p372

v151-158 p269

v159-163 p242 A: p112

v164-167 p259

v168-171 p242 A: p112

v172-173 p370 A: p189

v174-175 p240 A: p109

v176 p240

v177 p242

v178-182 p368 A: p189

v183-189 p372 A: p190

v190-195 p292 A: p136

v196-200.5 p373

v200.5-204 p270

v205-206 p230

v207-215 p310

v216-217 p283 A: p128

v218 p283 A: p128

v219 p378

v220 p368

v221-223 p363 A: p188

v224-243 p363

v244-246 p292 A: p136

v247-251 p324

v252-253 p256

v254 p278

v255 p278 A: p125

v256-257 p269

v258-259 p266 A: p122

v260 p322

v261-262 p293 A: p136

v263-272 p270

v273 p293

v274-275 p270

v276 p293

v277-283.5 p368

v284-285 p271

v286 p293

97 3 The Family of Imran, 200 verses

v1-6 p278 A: p126

v7-11 p268

v12-13 p300 A: p141

v14-17 p146

v18-19 p272

v20-27 p250 A: p114

v28 p148 A: p68

v29-32 p272

v33-43 p322

v44-53 p251 A: p115

v54-59 p252 A: p116

v60-63 p252

v64-65 p257 A: p118

v66-71 p241 A: p110

v72-83 p257

v84-85 p261

v86-89 p226 A: p103

v90-92 p230

v93-101 p246

v102-104 p272 A: p123

v105-117 p319

v118 p148 A: p68

v119-120

v121-129 p305 A: p146

v130-131 p367

v132-139 p306 A: p147

v140-141 p306 A: p147

v142-145 p307 A: p148

v146-148 p307 A: p148

v149-151 p307

v152-153 p308 A: p149

v154-155 p308 A: p149

v156-158 p309 A: p150

v159-160 p309

v161-164 p273

v165-174 p309 A: p150

v175-178 p310 A: p151

v179-180 p311 A: p151

v181-188 p246

v189-194 p267

v195-200 p311

100 4 Women, 176 verses

v1 p272

v2-6 p365

v7-14 p369

v15-21 p366 A: p188

v22-28 p366

v29-32 p373

v33 p370

v34-35 p361 A: p187

v36-38 p373

v39-42 p274

v43

v44-47 p247 A: p113

v48 p279

v49-52 p315 A: p155

v53-56 p256 A: p118, p155

v57 p256 A: p118

v58

v59 p326 CH

v60-85 p326 A: p161

v86 p328

v87

v88 p296

v89-90 p148

v91 p296 A: p139

v92-93 p370 A: p189

v94-96 p296 A: p139

v97-99 p229 A: p105

v100-104 p297

v105-115 p231

v116-126 p260 A: p119

v127-130 p367

v131-137 p274

v138-139 p149 A: p105

v140-143 p231 A: p105

v144 p149

v145-149 p231 A: p105

v150-152 p227

v153-170 p248

v171-172 p253 A: p116

v173-175 p275

v176 p370

114 5 The Table, 120 verses

v1-6 p374

v7-11 p276

v12-13 p324 A: p159

v14-17 p359 A: p185

v18-19 p256

v20-26 p323

v27-35 p321

v36-37 p260

v38-40 p367 A: p189

v41-45 p325 A: p159

v46-48 p254

v49-50 p277

v51-54 p301 A: p142

v55-58 p277 A: p125

v57-58 p149 A: p68

v59-71 p238 A: p108

v72-76 p359 A: p185

v77-86 p239

v87-100 p376

v101-104 p277

v105-108 p374

v109-111 p251 A: p115

v112-120 p254 A: p117

89 6 Cattle, 165 verses

v1-18 p188

v19-20 p174

v21-32 p146 A: p66

v33-36 p115

v37-49 p128

v50-53 p220

v54-65 p134

v66-73 p115

v74-88 p159

v89-94 p128

v95-115 p135

v116

v117-122 p110

v123-131 p176 A: p81

v132-151 p144

v152-155 p110

v156-165 p175

87 7 Al Araf, 206 verses

v1-2 p114

v3-7 p196

v8-25 p200 A: p93

v26-34 p204

v35-53 p189 A: p86

v54-58 p205

v59-64 p160

v65-72 p119

v73-79 p120

v80-84 p122

v85-93 p118

v94-101 p196

v102

v103-156 p160

v157-158 p113 A: p57

v159-171 p173 A: p79

v172-178 p205

v179-188 p188 A: p86

v189-206 p179 A: p82

v204-206 p112 A: p56

95 8 The Spoils, 75 verses

v1 p287 A: p130

v2-19 p287 A: p131

v20-21 p288 A: p132

v22-25 p272 A: p123

v26 p293

27-29 p272

v30-37 p223

v38-40 p289 A: p132

v41 p289 A: p133

v42-44 p289 A: p133

v45-50 p289 A: p133

v51 p290

v52-58 p261

v59-60 p293 A: p137

v61-64 p293

v65-69 p290 A: p134

v70-75 p294 A: p137

113 9 Immunity, 129 verses

v1-6 p353 A: p180

v7-16 p298

v17-18 p354 A: p180

v19-22 p299 A: p140

v23-24 p148 A: p68

v25-27 p349 A: p177

v28 p354 A: p180

v29-35 p358 A: p184

v36-37 p374

v38-44 p354 A: p181

v45-50 p349 A: p177

v51-57 p350 A: p178

v58-59 p343

v60 p374

v61-64 p226 A: p103

v65-68 p226 A: p103

v69-72 p276

v73 p355 A: p181

v74 p225 A: p102

v75-80 p229

v81-83 p350 A: p178

v84 p355 A: p182

v85-94 p351 A: p178

v95-99 p350

v100 p299

v101-106 p233

v107-110 p352

v111 p355 A: p182

v112-116 p276

v117-119 p352

v120-121 p299 A: p140

v122-123 p353 A: p179

v124-129 p233

84 10 Jonah, Peace Be On Him!, 109 verses

v1-21 p131

v22-23 p214

v24-44 p143

v45-56 p187

v57-70 p207

v71-93 p169 A: p77

v94-109 p138 A: p64

75 11 Houd, 123 verses

v1-2 p150

v 3-7.5 p209

v7-11 p185

v12-14 p150 A: p69

v15-17 p172

v18-24 p125

v25-49 p171

v50-60 p116 A: p58

v61-68 p119

v69-83 p120

v84-93 p117 A: p59

v94-102 p121

v103-110 p177

v111-123 p203 A: p95

77 12 Joseph, Peace Be On Him, 111 verses

v1-2 p150

v3-104 p153 A: p71

v105-111 p196

90 13 Thunder, 43 verses

v1-17 p216

v18-26 p129

v27-43 p182 A: p84

76 14 Abraham, On Whom Be Peace, 52 verses

v1-2 p150

v3-4 p204

v5-17 p123 A: p60

v18-30 p210

v31 p204

v32-34 p211

v35-41 p160

v42-52 p178

57 15 Hedjr, 99 verses

v1-15 p63 A: p33

v16-25 p50

v26-50 p105

v51-77 p81

v78-84 p72

v85-86 p51

v87-89 p65 A: p35

v90-99 p65

73 16 The Bee, 128 verses

v1-18 p208

v19-42 p184

v43-44 p172

v45-52 p177

v53-64 p139

v65-81 p208 A: p96

v82-89 p140

v90-92 p111

v93-97 p201 A: p94

v98-100 p111 A: p56

v101-103 p149 A: p68

v104-109 p112 A: p56

v110-115 p111

v116-128 p201 A: p94

67 17 The Night Journey, 111 verses

v1 p151 A: p69

v2-7 p99

v8-24 p59

v25-39 p109 A: p55

v40-44 p41

v45-52 p100 A: p51

v53-55 p100

v56-74 p106

v75-79 p66

v80-84 p52

v85-87 p97 A: p48

v88-100 p97 A: p48

v101-104 p93

v105-109 p52

v110-111 p110

69 18 The Cave, 110 verses

v1-8 p105

v9-26 p95 A: p46

v27-31 p59

v32-44 p72

v45-46 p52

v47-53 p41

v54-59 p36 A: p22

v60-82 p93

v83-98 p97 A: p48

v99-108 p58 A: p31

v109-110 p44

58 19 Mary, 98 verses

v1-15 p85

v16-40 p102 A: p52

v41-57 p78 A: p39

v58-63 p86

v64-65 p95 A: p46

v66-98 p38

55 20 Ta. Ha., 135 verses

v1-98 p87 A: p42

v99-111 p60

v112-114 p60 A: p29

v115-126 p85 A: p42

v127-135 p56

65 21 The Prophets, 112 verses

v1-15 p102 A: p52

v16-35 p42

v36-47 p58

v48-50 p92

v51-73 p79

v74-75 p82

v76-86 p76

v87-88 p81

v89-91 p86

v92-106 p38 A: p24

v107-112 p44 A: p26

107 22 The Pilgrimage, 78 verses

v1-16 p262 A: p120

v17 p275

v18-25 p263

v26-38 p370

v39-41 p297 A: p139

v42-51 p266

v52-57 p147 A: p67

v58-60 p298 A: p140

v61-69 p281

v70-77 p264

v78 p298 A: p140

64 23 The Believers, 118 verses

v1-11 p109 A: p55

v12-22 p51

v23-48 p75

v49-61 p51 A: p28

v62 p47 A: p28

v63-92 p47

v93-118 p57 A: p30

105 24 Light, 64 verses

v1-3 p331 A: p165

v4-10 p332, 377 A: p165

v11-25 p332 A: p165

v26

v27-29 p378

v30-33 p361 A: p187

v34-40 p279

v41-57 p280

v58-61 p377

v62-64 p315 A: p155

66 25 Al Furkan, 77 verses

v1-2 p43

v3-6 p98 A: p49

v7-31 p62

v32-34 p36 A: p22

v35-37 p76, p93

v38-40 p72

v41-44 p65 A: p35

v45-55 p43 A: p25

v56-77 p40

56 26 The Poets, 227 verses

v1-9 p45 A: p26

v10-104 p90

v105-122 p75

v123-140 p71

v141-158 p70 A: p36

v159-175 p82

v176-191 p71

v192-203 p53 A: p29

v204-227 p65 A: p34

68 27 The Ant, 93 verses

v1-6 p53

v7-14 p93

v15-44 p83 A: p40

v45-53 p71 A: p37

v54-58 p82

v59-75 p48

v76-85 p99 A: p50

v86-88 p50

v89-93 p52 A: p28

79 28 The Story, 88 verses

v1-47 p164

v48-54 p173 A: p79

v55-68 p140

v69-75 p180

v76-82 p168

v83-84 p204

v85-88 p113

81 29 The Spider, 69 verses <*

v1-11 p221 A: p100

v12-19 p103

v20-35 p122

v36-37 p118

v38-40 p117

v41-43 p211

v44 p185 A: p85

v45 p114

v46 p173

v47-59 p185 A: p85

v60-69 p206

74 30 The Greeks, 60 verses

v1-8 p193

v9-16 p195

v17-27 p137

v28-37 p202 A: p95

v38-39 p111

v40-45 p195

v46-57 p202

v58-60 p150

82 31 Lokman, 34 verses

v1-5 p150

v6-11 p124 A: p61

v12-19 p217

v20-25 p142

v26-34 p211

70 32 Adoration, 30 verses

v1-3 p150 A: p69

v4-22 p180 A: p83

v23-30 p193

103 33 The Confederates, 73 verses

v1-3 p267 A: p122

v4-5 p336 A: p170

v6-8 p267

v9-17 p316 A: p156

v18-24 p317

v25-27 p319 A: p159

v28-35 p333 A: p167

v36-40 p336 A: p170

v41-44 p275

v45-48 p268

v49 p361

v50-52 p334 A: p168

v53-54 p343

v55 p337 A: p171

v56-58 p262

v59 p367

v60-73 p228

85 34 Saba, 54 verses

v1-2 p214

v3-9 p191 A: p88

v10-21 p168

v22-38 p178

v39-54 p114 A: p58

86 35 The Creator, or The Angels, 45 verses

v1-2 p214

v3-8 p127

v9-31 p214

v32 p207

v33-39 p127

v40-45 p133

60 36 Ya. Sin, 83 verses

v1-35 p69 A: p35

v36 p69

v37-44 p49

v45-76 p45

v77-83 p36

50 37 The Ranks, 182 verses

v1-10 p107

v11-74 p37 A: p23

v75-82 p75

v83-113 p78

v114-132 p86

v133-138 p82

v139-148 p80 A: p40

v149-182 p80

59 38 Sad, 88 verses

v1-16 p61 A: p32

v17-26 p73 A: p37

v27-30 p56

v31-40 p84

v41-54 p77 A: p39

v55-70 p42 A: p24

v71-88 p107

80 39 The Troops, 75 verses

v1-7 p211

v8-16 p219 A: p99

v17-26 p126

v27-28 p150

v29-31 p204

v32-48 p141

v49-52 p217

v53-75 p192

78 40 The Believer, 85 verses

v1-14 p125

v15-22 p140

v23-44 p166

v45-60 p130 A: p62

v61-85 p133 A: p63

71 41 The Made Plain, 54 verses

v1-3 p194

v4-25 p194 A: p88

v26-32 p191

v33-44 p124

v45 p173

v46 p207

v47-54 p138 A: p65

83 42 Counsel, 53 verses

v1-12 p212 A: p97

v13-26 p186

v27-34 p213

v35-48 p213 A: p61

v49-50 p214

v51-53 p114

61 43 Ornaments of Gold, 89 verses

v1-4 p52

v5-20 p101

v21-25 p98 A: p49

v26-28 p79

v29-45 p101 A: p51

v46-56 p92

v57-67 p104

v68-80 p61 A: p31

v81-89 p104 A: p53

53 44 Smoke, 59 verses

v1-6 p52 A: p29

v7-8 p42

v9-59 p67

72 45 The Kneeling, 37 verses

v1-13 p136

v14-15 p207

v16-17 p173 A: p79

v18-37 p181

88 46 Al Ahkaf, 35 verses

v1-3 p150

v4-12 p175 A: p80

v13-20 p130

v21-28 p117

v29-35 p199 A: p92

96 47 Muhammad, 38 verses

v1-9 p294 A: p137

v10-19 p265

v20-32 p230

v33-38 p295 A: p138

108 48 The Victory, 29 verses

v1-14 p339

v15-16 p339

v17-29 p340

112 49 The Apartments, 18 verses

v1-8 p342

v9-10 p378 A: p190

v11-12 p378

v13-18 p328

54 50 Kaf, 45 verses

v1-35 p54

v36-45 p70

39 51 The Scattering, 60 verses

v1-4 p22

v5-23 p27

v24-40 p12 A: p10

v41-55 p29

v56-60 p20 A: p14

40 52 The Mountain, 49 verses

v1-6 p22

v7-28 p15

v29-49 p22 A: p14

28 53 The Star, 62 verses

v1-18 p32 A: p19

v19-32 p20 A: p14

v33-56 p34

v57-62 p7 , p34

49 54 The Moon, 55 verses

v1-8 p53

v9-55 p66

43 55 The Merciful, 78 verses

v1-32 p7 A: p7

v33-78 p17

41 56 The Inevitable, 96 verses

v1-56 p16 A: p12

v57-74 p20

v75-80 p22

v81-96 p25

99 57 Iron, 29 verses

v1-9 p278

v10-11 p296 A: p139

v12-15 p227 A: p104

v16-25 p273 A: p124

v26-29 p253

106 58 She Who Pleaded, 22 verses

v1-4 p362

v5-7 p262

v8-10 p233

v11-13 p342

v14-22 p249

102 59 The Emigration, 24 verses

v1 p279

v2 p314 A: p154

v3-6 p314 A: p154

v7-8 p314 A: p154

v9-10 p297

v11-20 p232

v21-24 p279

110 60 She Who Is Tried, 13 verses

v1 p149

v2-7 p275 A: p124

v8-9 p270

v10-12 p341

v13 p149

98 61 Battle Array, 14 verses

v1-5 p295 A: p138

v6-9 p253 A: p117

v10-14 p296

94 62 The Assembly, 11 verses

v1-4 p278 A: p125

v5-8 p246 A: p112

v9-11 p371

104 63 The Hypocrites, 11 verses

v1-11 p228

93 64 Mutual Deceit, 18 verses

v1-10 p265 A: p121

v11-13 p278 A: p125

v14-18 p271

101 65 Divorce, 12 verses

v1-7 p362

v8-12 p262

109 66 The Forbidding, 12 verses

v1-5 p335 A: p169

v6-12 p328 A: p163

63 67 The Kingdom, 30 verses

v1-4 p49 A: p27

v5 p109 A: p55

v6-30 p46 A: p26

18 68 The Pen, 52 verses

v1-16 p31 A: p19

v17-41 p19 A: p13

v42-52 p18

38 69 The Inevitable, 52 verses

v1-52 p28 A: p17

42 70 The Steps or Ascents, 44 verses

v1-21 p34

v22-35 p9 A: p8

v36-44 p25

51 71 Noah, 28 verses

v1-28 p74 A: p38

62 72 Djinn, 28 verses

v1-21 p108

v22-28 p56

23 73 The Enfolded, 20 verses

v1-9 p10 A: p9

v10-19 p25

v20 p10

2 74 The Enwrapped, 56 verses

v1-10 p6

v11-56 p33 A: p20

36 75 The Resurrection, 40 verses

v1-40 p13

52 76 Man, 31 verses

v1-3 p50

v4-31 p54 A: p29

32 77 The Sent, 50 verses

v1-7 p22

v8-50 p15

33 78 The News, 40 verses

v1-40 p24

31 79 Those Who Drag Forth, 46 verses

v1-14 p26

v15-26 p12 A: p11

v27-46 p26

17 80 He Frowned, 42 verses

v1-10 p23

v11-42 p12

27 81 The Folded Up, 29 verses

v1-29 p23

26 82 The Cleaving, 19 verses

v1-19 p14

37 83 Those Who Stint, 36 verses

v1-36 p26 A: p16

29 84 The Splitting Asunder, 25 verses

v1-25 p24 A: p15

22 85 The Starry, 22 verses

v1-3 p22

v4-22 p30

15 86 The Night-Comer, 17 verses

v1-4 p21

v5-10 p9

v11-14 p21

v15-17 p49

19 87 The Most High, 19 verses

v1-19 p11 A: p10

34 88 The Overshadowing, 26 verses

v1-26 p14 A: p11

35 89 The Daybreak, 30 verses

v1-5 p22

v6-30 p29

11 90 The Soil, 20 verses

v1-20 p33

16 91 The Sun, 15 verses

v1-10 p21

v11-15 p28

10 92 The Night, 21 verses

v1-4 p21

v5-21 p9 A: p8

13 93 The Brightness, 11 verses

v1-11 p8 A: p7

12 94 The Opening, 8 verses

v1-8 p23 A: p15

20 95 The Fig, 8 verses

v1-8 p21 A: p8

1 96 Thick Blood or Clots of Blood, 19 verses

v1-5 p6 A: p6

v6-19 p32 A: p19

14 97 Power, 5 verses

v1-5 p7 A: p6

92 98 Clear Evidence, 8 verses

v1-8 p261 A: p119

25 99 The Earthquake, 8 verses

v1-8 p14

30 100 The Chargers, 11 verses

v1-11 p8

24 101 The Blow, 11 verses

v1-11 p13

8 102 Desire, 8 verses

v1-8 p9

21 103 The Afternoon, 3 verses

v1-3 p22

6 104 The Backbiter, 9 verses

v1-9 p35

9 105 The Elephant, 5 verses

v1-5 p35

4 106 The Koreisch, 4 verses

v1-4 p8

7 107 Religion, 7 verses

v1-7 p8 A: p8

5 108 The Abundance, 3 verses

v1-3 p35

45 109 Unbelievers, 6 verses

v1-6 p35

111 110 HELP, 3 verses

v1-3 p356 A: p182

3 111 Abu Lahab, 5 verses

v1-5 p35 A: p21

44 112 The Unity, 4 verses

v1-4 p20

46 113 The Daybreak, 5 verses

v1-5 p9

47 114 Men, 6 verses

v1-6 p20 A: p14

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Uniform civil code is generally perceived as anti-Secular

yogesh kumar saxena

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The word secular was inserted into the Preamble by the 42nd amendment act of 1976, during emergency. It implies equality of all religions and religious tolerance. India, therefore does not have an official state religion. Every person has the right to preach, practice and propagate any religion they choose. The government must not favor or discriminate against any religion. It must treat all religions with equal respect. All citizens, irrespective of their religious beliefs are equal in the eyes of law. No religious instruction is imparted in government or government-aided schools. Nevertheless, general information about all established world religions is imparted as part of the course in Sociology, without giving any importance to any one religion or the others. The content presents the basic/fundamental information with regards to the fundamental beliefs, social values and main practices and festivals of each established world religions. The Supreme Court in S.R Bommai v. Union of India held that secularism was an integral part of the basic structure of the constitution.
However demand for Uniform civil code is generally perceived as anti-Secular[citation needed] and subsidizing religious schools or pilgrims is generally perceived as promoting secularism in India.
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Why 'o why is uniform civil code anti-secular??
BTW i also think that caste system should be made illegal to practice under the uniform civil code.. shouldn't it?

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Blood Lies in root of Islam

Rahul Raj

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Blood Lies in root of Islam

Terrorism
Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with
terror.’”

Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and
incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His
Apostle.”

Qur’an:8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a
defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn
a lesson and be warned.”

Ishaq:326 “If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify
those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make
a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s
enemies.”

Qur’an:8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until
he has made a great slaughter in the land.”

Ishaq:588 “When the Apostle descends on your land none of your
people will be left when he leaves.”

Tabari IX:42 “We have been dealt a situation from which there is no
escape. You have seen what Muhammad has done.
Arabs have submitted to him and we do not have the
strength to fight. You know that no herd is safe from
him. And no one even dares go outside for fear of being
terrorized.”

Ishaq:326 “Allah said, ‘No Prophet before Muhammad took booty
from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.’ Muhammad
said, ‘I was made victorious with terror. The earth was
made a place for me to clean. I was given the most
powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was
given the power to intercede. These five privileges were
awarded to no prophet before me.’”

Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting
captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land.
Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its
goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah
desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Qur’an:7:3 “Little do you remember My warning. How many towns
have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment
took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon
rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook
them.”

Ishaq:510 “When the Apostle looked down on Khaybar he told his
Companions, ‘O Allah, Lord of the Devils and what into
terror they throw, and Lord of the winds and what they
winnow, we ask Thee for the booty of this town and its
people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say
this of every town he raided.”

Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer [Prayer of Fear]
near Khaybar when it was still dark. He said, ‘Allahu-
Akbar!’ [Allah is Greatest] Khaybar is destroyed, for
whenever we approach a hostile nation to fight, then evil
will be the morning for those who have been warned.’
Then the inhabitants came out running on their roads.
The Prophet had their men killed; their children and
woman were taken as captives.”

Bukhari:V9B87N127 “The Prophet said, ‘I have been given the keys of
eloquent speech and given victory with terror.’”

Ishaq:517 “Khaybar was stormed by the Apostle’s squadron, fully
armed, powerful and strong. It brought certain
humiliation with Muslim men in its midst. We attacked
and they met their doom. Muhammad conquered the
Jews in fighting that day as they opened their eyes to our
dust.”

Tabari VIII:116

Ishaq:511
“So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their
property bit by bit. He conquered home by home. The
Messenger took some people captive, including Safiyah
and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for
himself.”

Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their children and
woman taken captive.”

Tabari VIII:129 “After the Messenger had finished with the Khaybar
Jews, Allah cast terror into the hearts of the Jews in
Fadak when they received news of what Allah had
brought upon Khaybar. Fadak became the exclusive
property of Allah’s Messenger.”

Tabari VIII:133 “The raiding party went to Tha’labah. One of
Muhammad’s slaves, said, ‘Prophet, I know where
Tha’labah can be taken by surprise.’ So Muhammad sent
him with 130 men. They raided the town and drove off
camels and sheep, bringing them back to Medina.”

Tabari VIII:138 “Muhammad carried arms, helmets, and spears. He led a
hundred horses, appointing Bahir to be in charge of the
weapons and Maslamah to be in charge of the horses.
When the Quraysh received word of this, it frightened
them.”

Qur’an:33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing
them so that you killed some and made many captive.
And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and
their wealth. He gave you a country you had not
traversed before.”

Qur’an:59:2 “It was Allah who drove the [Jewish] People of the
Book from their homes and into exile. They refused to
believe and imagined that their strongholds would
protect them against Allah. But Allah came at them from
where they did not suspect, and filled their hearts with
terror. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson, O
men who have eyes. This is My warning…they shall
taste the torment of Fire.”

Qur’an:33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators
in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against
them and set you over them. Then they will not be able
to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They
shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found,
they shall be seized and slain without mercy – a fierce
slaughter – murdered, a horrible murdering.”

Tabari VIII:143 “In this year a twenty-four man raiding party led by
Shuja went to the Banu Amir. He launched a raid on
them and took camels and sheep. The shares of booty
came to fifteen camels for each man. Also a raid led by
Amr went to Dhat. He set out with fifteen men. He
encountered a large force whom he summoned to Islam.
They refused to respond so he killed all of them.”

Bukhari:V4B52N256 “The Prophet passed by and was asked whether it was
permissible to attack infidels at night with the
probability of exposing their women and children to
danger. The Prophet replied, ‘Their women and children
are from them.’”

Tabari IX:20 “The captives of Hunayn, along with their possessions,
were brought to the Messenger. He ordered that their
captives, animals, and their possessions be taken to
Ji’ranah and held there in custody.”

Ishaq:576 “Allah and His servant overwhelmed every coward.
Allah honored us and made our religion victorious. We
were glorified and destroyed them all. Allah humiliated
them in the worship of Satan. By what our Apostle
recites from the Book and by our swift horses, I liked the
punishment the infidels received. Killing them was
sweeter than drink. We galloped among them panting
for the spoil. With our loud-voiced army, the Apostle’s
squadron advanced into the fray.”

Ishaq:580 “Our strong warriors obey his orders to the letter. By us
Allah’s religion is undeniably strong. You would think
when our horses gallop with bits in their mouths that the
sounds of demons are among them. The day we trod
down the unbelievers there was no deviation or turning
from the Apostle’s order. During the battle the people
heard our exhortations to fight and the smashing of
skulls by swords that sent heads flying. We severed
necks with a warrior’s blow. Often we have left the slain
cut to pieces and a widow crying alas over her mutilated
husband. ‘Tis Allah, not man we seek to please.”

Tabari IX:122 “Muhammad sent Uyaynah to raid The Banu Anbar.
They killed some people and took others captive. Asma
was one of the women taken prisoner.”

Tabari IX:123 “Muhammad sent an expedition to Ghalib and to the
land of the Banu Murrah. The raid on Amr and Abi was
sent to the valley of Idam. Another by Aslami was sent
to Ghabah. And Abd al-Rahman was ordered by the
Messenger to lead an army to the seashore.”

Tabari IX:69 “He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has
protected his life and possessions from us. As for those
who disbelieve, we will fight them forever in the Cause
of Allah. Killing them is a small matter to us.”

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Koran – The Word God?

Rahul Raj

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Koran – The Word Of God?

The Qur’an, (Koran) meaning recitation, is the sacred book of Islam. According to Muslim tradition, it was revealed by God to the Prophet Muhammad in separate revelations over the major portion of his life at Mecca and at Medina. The Qur’an was probably compiled as a single volume under the third caliph, Uthman, who appointed a committee (651-52). The internal organization of the Qur’an is somewhat ad hoc. Revelations consisted of verses (ayat) grouped into 114 chapters (surah, plural - suwar).

This is what Qur’an says in its English Translation introduction, lets see how much words is from Allah. This question is beyond any doubt that Qur’an itself proves that some verse contained in it is from Muhammad, and if Qur’an contains a single alphabet of Muhammad,it means it has to rejected as it altered by a mere man.

(Koran 4:82)
Do they not consider the Qur’an (with care)?
Had it been from other than Allah, they would
surely have found therein much discrepancy.

According to the Muslims the Koran contains the words of God. Koran is to be read as if God Himself had spoken these words stated in it. It is important to emphasize this point because if Koran is the word of God then it should not contain any errors and it should hold true for all times.
However, such is not the case. First, we will see how some of the verses in the Koran itself show clearly that these words were obviously spoken by Mohammed and Not God.
The Opening Sura Fatihah:

(Koran 1:1-7)
In the name of the Merciful and Compassionate God.
Praise belongs to God, The Lord of the worlds, the merciful, the compassionate, the ruler of the day of the day of judgement! Thee we serve and Thee we ask for aid. Guide us in the right path, the path of those Thou art gracious to; not to those Thou art wroth with, nor of those who err.

Someone need not be a rocket-scientist to comprehend that these words are clearly addressed to God, in the form of a prayer. They are Mohammed’s words of parise to God, asking for God’s help and guidance. Some Muslim compilers conveniently add the imperative “say” in the English translation of the Koran at the beginning of the sura to remove this difficulty. This imperative form of the word “say” occurs at least 350 times in the Koran, and its obvious that this word has, in fact, been inserted by later compilers of the Koran to remove countless similarly embarassing difficulties. Thus, we have direct evidence that the Koran starts out with the words of Mohammed.

(Koran 113:1)
I take refuge with the Lord of the Dawn.

One can clearly see, its Mohammed and NOT GOD HIMSELF who is seeking refuge in God.

(Koran 6:104)
Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs (To open your eyes): If any will see, it will be for (the good of) his own soul; If any will be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not (here) To watch over your doings.

In this verse the speaker of the line “I am not to watch over your doings”- is clearly Mohammed. In
fact Dawood in his translation adds a footnote that the “I” refers to Mohammed here.

(Koran 27:91)
For me, I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it and to whom (Belong) things; and I am commanded to be of those who bow in Islam to Allah’s Will

Again, the speaker here is clearly Mohammed who is trying to justify killing of innocent Meccans who were not willing to follow Mohammed’s version of God. Dawood and Pickthall both interpolate “say” at the beginning of the sentence which is lacking in the original Arabic version of the sura.

(Koran 81:15)
So veriy I call To witness the planets that recede… Again, here it is Mohammed and NOT God who is swearing by the turning planets.

(Koran 84:16-19)
I swear by the afterglow of sunset, and by the night, and by the moon when she is at the full.

Once again it is Mohammed and NOT God. He is unable to disguise his pagan heritage. He swears again in the name of the Sun and Moon, both of which were considered as holy deities by Pre-Islamic Arabs.

(Koran 6:114)
Should I seek other judge than God, when
it is He who has sent down to you, the
distinguishing book (Koran)?

Any sane person can comprehend that those words are not spoken by God but Mohammed himself. Yusuf Ali in his translation adds at the beginning of the sentence “say”, which is not there in the original Arabic and he does so without comment or footnote.

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Is there a democratic awakening in Egypt

Seif Abdallah Turki

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Is there a democratic awakening in Egypt?

It would be very hard to predicate the final political and religious outcome of a future constitution in Egypt. Consequently the establishment of legislative and executive branches in the Egyptian government could not be crystallized in the light of so many different ideologies. The cancellation of the emergency laws, which has been already confirmed by massive public polls, unveiled that democracy has its shortcomings when compared with its superior advantages. All underground and previously illegal organizations are now free to surface and practice its ideologies. Some espouse extreme religious ideologies while others believe in true anti-religious free democracies. The Salafies still believe in creating a government based on the Sharia, which, if succeeded, will drag Egypt to the dark ages practiced 1400 years ago, while the proponents of true democracy are advocating the establishment of a civil democratic government that should separate Religion from the political establishment. There are, of course, those who are advocating both systems by demanding a civil democracy with Sharia as a judicial reference, an obvious contradiction to democratic values. Furthermore the same groups are advocating the implementation of UN human rights which again negates very important items in the Sharia that prohibits the equality of women to men in certain practices such as in the legal system and inheritance laws. It is obvious to many observers that including the Sharia item and the human rights item in the same future constitution is designed to appeal to the general public by pulling the carpet from under the Salafies in any future elections. Let us not forget here that freedom under true democratic civil government was the main demand of the successful revolution.

In a surprise move which tipped the balance toward true democracy and against the Salafies, Al-Azhar, the most powerful Islamic source on Sharia, held very successful meetings with intellectuals and pro-revolutionaries and came up with what is called as Al-Azhar document which advocates civil democracy which will be also adopted by Al-Azhar itself in electing the Al-Azhar officials, a move which was considered as an unprecedented move in the history of Al-Azhar ! Augmented greatly by such a relatively liberal move, the Moslem Brotherhood, which is considered the most powerful Moslem organization in the world, not only endorsed Al-Azhar Document, but went further by establishing a new organization that advocates civil democratic principles whose vice-president was a Christian. Some critics accused the brotherhood of deception in selecting the Christian vice-president to appeal to the Christian Coptics, but such an accusation does not hold any credibility when we realize that appealing to the majority Moslems would be more profitable in any future elections than catering to the Coptic votes. Furthermore one cannot ignore the public declaration made by the powerful Armed Forces Council supporting a civil government to be established by the principles of true democracy. Being the most powerful and influential government in the Middle East, all what transpires in Egypt will become a paradigm to many other countries in the area.

These entire developments in Egypt could be explained by the realization that the Sharia which was prevailing in the past could no longer govern Moslems in the 21^st Century.

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Stupid seeker 3

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Absolutely no doubt that the Pope would look upon a Hindu as yourself as an unbeliever fit to be converted albeit in a more benign way compared to the grand Mufti of SA for whom you would definitely be Najas material, a kafir and a mushrik to boot.

The Pope is on the lookout for poor tribals as conversion candiadtes. Hindus like me would be better taken care of by the evangelical-naxal armies of Christ.
Ironically, it's Hindus like me who defend so called "secular" bible thumping Christians like you when the Pope gets possed by the holy spirit

Hindus denounce Pope for being offensive to atheists
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/09/17/hindusdenounce-pope-for-being-offensive-toatheists.html

On this count let me assure you that the pope or the mufti would not differentiate between a Hindu like yourself and a secular like me. In fact profession of secularism in SA is punishable with death, whereas profession of non Islamic religions is generally tolerated if the non Muslim takes care to keep himself invisible.

It's not been a long time when atheists were put to death in christian world too.It's only in Hinduism that we see charvaks(atheists) living happily along with the theists and with the full liberty of mocking the theistic rituals and philosophy.

So thank your stars , that you live in a country where the majority religion inherently is secular and allows you to whole heartedly call it communal .

Don’t know about you but a secular like me has no desire or need to go to a religious place of any kind.

It;s not about you alone silly! we are talking in general terms ..you are great but that's a digression :)

So if they decide I’m not eligible to go into Mecca or Medina it’s no problem with me. I’d rather be at the receiving end of apartheid than indulge in apartheid myself.

You don't get it ..do you? is Mecca or Medina a Mosque or a city? You don't have to tell me rights of passage to a place of worship rests with religion itself.

If the other religions impose a similar ban on Islam , all muslims will end in Saudi arabia. India has got 100s of cities where they have their holy temples..does this imply that non-hindus must be thrown out of the CITIES where these temples are

So while you could go in and have your darshan, a secular like me would have to take blessings from the outside if I cared for them.

as i said , a temple is a place of worship , a city is not. If i ban your entry in benaras , then you would have a point .

Following the example of these temples the Mangueshi temple in Goa, that evangelical hotbed, has very recently banned entry of foreigners citing the objectionable dresses they wear.

Till such time that Churches allow bikini sunday masses , is it too much to ask for these guys to enter temples in a proper dress?

or is your Christian self offended at the thought of a lowly pagan place of worship demanding as much respect as a church?

Check this out too. If you can appreciate the rationale behind keeping non Hindus out of these temples, no reason why you would deny the Muslims their rational of keeping non Muslims out.

I never objected to muslims keeping non0muslims away from mosques. I am objecting to state banning the entry of non-muslims in it's cities!

After all at the very basic levels the human mind works in almost similar fashion i.e. the national, social and religious ego all have to be kept happy.

Till the day all nations give up the the idea , it would be foolish for a single nation to drop the idea of nationhood or national pride. Or you want India to do a Tibet ?

And incidentally non Muslims don’t have to go to these places to find out they aren’t welcome; this is conveyed to you early on.

So you are game if i ban Chritians from all holy cities of India. You are a stickler for accurate information ..right? doesn't matter if it is bigoted or irrational

As for the medieval happenings, such as the Jizya tax, I like to keep in them in the medieval ages, like for instance Martanda Verma the “Padhmanabha Dasa” used to collect a breast tax from lower caste women which permitted them to suckle their kids. This amongst various other taxes imposed upon lower caste people such as marriage taxes, birth taxes and death taxes. All these taxes contributed towards the Rs. 5 trillion treasures recently uncovered in the padhmanabhaswamy temple.

It was not Padmanabha Dasa but his 8 ministers who levied such atrocious taxes.They even tried to kill him and take hold of the empire.But lets not forget that maximum amount of wealth was gathered from the various conquests of padmanabha dasa.and he used the wealth not for his personal needs but for the state. He brought an agricultural revolution, he made his army strong so that the invading ghazis could not loot the wealth of the state.

as for the emotion spin around the taxes , let me give you another story 1000 years from now. Currently we pay taxes on every item we purchase cereals, food grains, millk name it and there's a tax. Now 1000 years from now it would easy to say that the Christian headed government of India was so cruel that no child could get milk without paying a tax or no man could have a morsel of read until the tax for it was paid for.

He of course drew the legality of his actions from the canon of the Manu Smriti, that spelt out in no uncertain terms how lower caste people ought to be treated.

Now you concoct your own story.give me the evidence for this. Do you know that there was a tax if any spat on the roads? there was a penalty on a vendor if his customers littered around his stall?

This is but one example of the consequences of a caste based social structure spanning several centuries.

hmm.. now you mean to say that the other castes lived a tax free life. to your disappointment, the taxes on the higher castes were the highest.

So if you forgive Martanda Verma for collecting money from his defenseless lower caste subjects, why can’t you forgive Aurangzeb, for collection protection money from his defenseless Hindu subjects?

Because Martanda Varma used the wealth for the betterment of the subjects whom he taxed which included all castes.Travencore was the most prosperous city of its time.MV never used the money for himself but lived an austere life and dedicated all the money to Lord Padmanabha , acting just as a trustee of the states wealth..the state itself was dedicated to lord Padmanabha.

Now lets look at aurangzeb. He killed, tortured and levied heavy taxes on Hindus.he destroyed their temples and raised mosques atop these structures.You can;lt compoare this rascal with MV.

A secular like me would examine the moot point here, the defenseless being rolled over by the powerful citing religious sanction. Essentially your argument is, as long as a Hindu exploits a Hindu, it’s really ok. It’s not ok if a non Hindu exploits a Hindu.

You miss the point once again. The hindu king did not appropriate the tax to himself.He funded development activities for his state and ensured that it was the best state to live in India. History attests this fact.

You would find this kind of reasoning abundant in the neighboring country across the border. Incidentally the imposition of the Jizya by Aurangezeb spelt the death knell of the Mughal Empire, since practically speaking, bigotry doesn’t really pay, no matter what form or color that bigotry takes, exactly as the canon of Manu,that one text that allowed the upper caste to consider themselves as greater hindus than others, lies discarded and unattended to in contemporary India.

Bigotry does pay in the short term. There are 3 billion Chrustians and 1.5 billion Muslims thriving on the bigited idea that the others are doomed to hell.

Manu smriti is just one of the 18 smritis.you don;t even know what a smriti means - it's scope is limited to a short span of time and it is not the final word. So the problem was not in manu smriti but following it even after its span had ended. It got distorted in such a fashion that varna sytem was done way with and jati started being treated as a varna..and thus the despicale birth based caste system was born.In contemporary India, the jati system has been immortalised by bringing in the birth based reservation system ..thousand years from now the brahmins would become dalits and lament how the jobs were reserved for a the upper castes(at that time the dalits wopuld be called upper castes ..right?) ..the idioyt govt believes in re-birth more than the hindus.

To be absolutely fair to the gulf states there are approximately 3 – 4 million Indians, very many of them Hindus like yourself who work in the non secular countries of the gulf, many of them including SA are tax free (no pun intended) and have made good money for themselves and successive Indian Governments keep diplomatic relations with all of them. Give the credit where it’s due, and see the goodness wherever you can, I always say.

what you always say is a reminder that it;s probaly something you should do yourself befire preaching others. case in point is your denigration of everything hindu at the word go ! let me see some respect from your side towrds Hindusim before i concede to what you always say ..but never seem to do !

The gulf is the worst place to work. It's money that makes a poor indian migrate to these countries and offer his slaveship to the sheikhs. His passport is confiscated. his wife is raped and if he complains , he is put in jail as an illegal immigrant and dies there!

The gulf only attracts poor people from india for whom money is far bigger than self prode or freedom.I don;t mock their decision because life can be a horrible teacher. But resoect the gulf you say ..i say never!

One thing I would appreciate them for and you would castigate them for, is that they are upfront about the supremacy of Islam in their neighborhood. They make no pretensions about observing secularism

should i read that as a message that the Hindus become as (in)tolerant as these guys.That we lack the upfrontness to ask you to buzz off?

what kind of an argument is that? If a religion deems itself superior than others then it must be banned in all secular countries because the idea of secularism is that all religions are equal.

you don't like the idea because christianity suffers from the same disease .It can't co-exist with secularism .that's your weak point pastor , why wont you support the other supremacist now ..notty notty.

Argue with their Islam and find yourself headless or imprisoned or booted out. No two ways about it, accept it or leave it. I’m not here to change the world or make it conform to my ideals of secular behavior.

hmm.. you are out there to change this world's perspective on hinduism .come on pastor , drop it..i know what a christian secularist means - its an oxymoron !

I would however be a little hesitant to be a Muslim in say, Halol, because, while on the face of it India is a secular country, I wouldn’t know when the rage of the majority demands my life as tax, if some of my co-religionists created some mischief elsewhere, and the state withdrew its protection from over my head.

Yes of course. The fact that a muslim will chop your head in an Islamic state is not frightening when compared to the mere fear of being killed by hindus ..right?

Wake up dear ..stop dreaming ..try entering a muslim ghetto in UP or a christian ghetto in north east and you would thank Jesus that there are Hindus still around in this planet.

Every religion that was persecuted in the world has found refuge in Hindu India.I don't need to learn from aggressive proselytizers how to act secular.

Again instances of the majority rolling over the minority citing religious sanctions. Do you really expect me to behave like them by giving such an example??

You need to study the history of riots in India. in almost all the cases the riots are started by minorities. Now turn to riots in other countries where the majority religion is an abrahmic religion, there all the riots are initiated by majority communities.

so your "majority madness" argument does not apply to india.here if you behave as the majority , chances are 99% of the times you would be behaving in secular fashion only.

Regarding the second part lets first see what Manu has to say about the killing of non Muslims at the hands of Muslims, what his preference might be. Maybe you could ask him his views on this subject. As for me I’d rather be dead for the cause for secularism, too few martyrs for the cause of secularism nowadays.

I understand your plight pastor. who better to talk about secularism than a Christian or a Maulvi in a country filled with Pagan hindus who need to learn a thing or two from these abrahmic faiths about secularism.

wishing your church all the best

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I read Wendy Doniger because I wanted an academics viewpoint of Hindu history in all its glorious diversity from the heretical Agoras to the purity obsessed Brahmanical class.

Sure , why wouldn't a bible thumper want to read a "psychoanalytical" take on Hinduism and treat it as "authentic history". You would do well to to read other "histories" of psycho-biographies of Muhammad and Jesus to make you more "historically" enlightened.

For lesser mortals like us, we see history and psychoanalysis separately. we also understand that the academics of time travel are not the practices of time travel.
The sanitized RSS & VHP version with their depiction of the Islamic sultans as bigoted rampaging demons and the Hindus as the poor docile victims wasn’t good enough for me.

Read the authentic Persian chronicles where its proudly mentioned how these ghazis plundered , enslaved and massacred Hindus.I hope you don't consider chroniclers like Utbi, Aurangzeb,Timur lung, Abu Faizal as RSS/VHP cadre

Historian (not psychoanalyst historian) Will Durant was not a RSS/VHP man. He observed
"The Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the BLOODIEST STORY IN HISTORY, a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without and multiplying from within. "

But i am sure that the Kerala evangelical library would have something to suggest that Aurangzeb was a closet RSS/VHP guy.I wont be surprised if you come up with a psychoanalytic attestation of the same

And please feel free to reject my invitation to have a look at that book. Regarding the psychoanalytical takes that you allege, characterize that book, I couldn’t see one single such take in all 799 pages of the book. On the contrary Wendy went to great pains to give verifiable references for each and every historical event she has described. In fact I’d never have known of the existence of the Gudimallam Linga, the oldest worshipped Linga in India if not for this book.
http://anushankarn.blogspot.com/2010/12/around-tirupati-gudimallam-lingam-like.html

This is what happens when you miss the preface or the author's interview.Wendy herself said that it's not authentic history but an alternative perspective on the text viewed from a psychoanalytic lens

BTW, I am not against Wendy Doniger's right to write garbage against Hinduism.I would be the first to protect her right to do so but I don't read a book which sells psychoanalysis as history.I was disinclined to read the book as i am well aware that psychoanalysis has been long discarded as a pseudo science even in the field of science. The fact that you want to hone your academic skills on the basis of a pseudo science is a fair indication of where you are headed - pastor @stupidseeker.

here's a critique of her book by a scholar of Sanskrit:
here: http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?262511#1.

and here's an academic dissection of Wendy Donigers et al
http://invadingthesacred.com/content/view/13/33/

Regarding your views on religious conversions, in the NE and Goa I can say that the NE people and Goan people I’ve met and who are Christians are very comfortable with their faiths despite knowing that their forefathers were at some point of time non Christian. That being the case it should be nobody’s problem what their religious affiliations are.

why wouldn't the Christians be comfortable since they are the perpetrators of hatred in this case. I am not blaming these Christians for their past nor protesting their being Christians.If they are happy that their forefathers were tortured and raped into Christianity , it's not my moral dilemma . I am blaming the present crop for destroying temples in Goa and driving out the hindu tribals to tripura in NE where they were forced to live in refugee camps.

In fact both these regions have amongst the highest literacy rates in India.

hmm.. this the most drug addited, jobless and violent zones of india too. thank Jesus for these too ..will you?

for your info, anybody wanting good education , has to move out of NE to Delhi, bangalore.

Regarding Goa, it has had a string of Hindu chief ministers and currently is the tourist hotspot internationally. So I’m not so sure how valid your claim of Goa being a hotbed of evangelism is.

Just because the Christian sponsored media does not cover these news , don't assume that such things are not happening.Enter goa temple desecration/ destruction in YouTube and see for yourself.

Indeed yes in the past, Goa had been subjected to repeated ecumenical inquisitions to the severe detriment of the local saraswat Brahmin community. These atrocities cannot be justified from a secular and humane viewpoint, but at the same time Goan Christians of the present time cannot be held accountable for what was done in the past. Whether or not they wish to reconvert back to the religion of their forefathers is a decision that is best left to the individual, in a secular society where multiple religious avenues should be made available to all members of society. In fact the same argument can be extended to the extermination of animist methods of worship by the expansion of the Vedic culture amongst the tribals and other animists.

The Vedic culture is open to animists way of worship as well as atheists and agnostics.The only barrier to it is Islam and Christianity. Unfortunately it's Christian evangelists who are entering the trial belts and rooting out their age old animist traditions - the devil's religion- in bible speak .

You feign complete ignorance of the fact that many Hindu sects have animist idols (narsimha,Ganesha etc) ...they are the least threat to animism . Pastor stupid seeker, Hindus have many sects that have these idols from thousands of years, it;s christianity and islam that are hell bent on destroying these.

I hope now you will join me opposing any evangelist trying to barge into our jungles to destroy animsitic ways of worship of the tribals. will you?

Regarding the NE, the plain and simple fact is that the missionaries got there first and catered to the material and spiritual needs of the people in their usual brisk and professional manner.

The missionaries got there to convert and incite the locals to secede from India. It's the same group that created havoc in Burma and Indonesia. You need to read the right books on the dangerous nexus between naxals and evangelists in the 21st century.The west is moving away from Christianity, why don't these evangelists try to address their spiritual needs? because they know that their crap wont sell there and hence they give you ,a tribal, a guitar, bare minimum education and hot pants. Now indulge in drugs and form a band ..by the time you are 40 you are penniless and divorced. that's the story of NE development in short

Concepts such as love of the Christ as a means to salvation so similar to the Hindu concept of Bhakti, prohibition of idolatry, charity, heaven and hell are easily understood and assimilated.

Lolz .. in a statement above you were lamenting the extermination of idolatry at the hands of vedic hindus .Pastor you need to be very very careful with your case for Christ.you are failing miserably

Add to that the providing of decent education facilities and you have the recipe to win yourself a convert. I won’t be far off the mark, when I say that the Hindu evangelists are running their reconversion programs in tribal areas on exactly similar lines.

If you go to tribal areas where Hindu's are involved in social activities it would a very different place than where missionaries are active. First thing that separates them is that the hindus would ask these tribals to get educated and excel for India. The missionaries would see to it that naxal rights are protected and fake HR orgs like Amensty are called in to show the non-christian tribals and state in poor light.

It's a strategy that is uniformly carried out throughout the world in developing nations.The christian goes to these belts to create enemies of the state and the infidels, the hindu goes there to bring the tribal to mainstream.

I wonder if Hindus like you have ever wondered how the caste system must have driven lower caste people into the waiting arms of Christianity, Islam and Buddhism. Just one example to illustrate my point. I’m sure you must have read in the news about the unearthing of approx. 5 trillion rupees worth of treasure from the vaults of the Padhmanabhaswamy temple in Thiruvananthapuram. This money it seems consisted of taxes collected by the king Martanda Verma from his subjects and donated to the idol of Padhmanabha. Amongst the various taxes were those that were imposed on lower caste people for marriages, births and even funeral ceremonies.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_sri-padmanabhaswamy-the-lord-of-the-rings-necklaces-and-taxes_1564164

I have answered this point in another post. in short Caste system is not a HINDU malaise, it's as much a CHRISTIAN,MUSLIM malaise in south asia . You have separate prayer halls for dalit and upper caste Christians, you have arzal, afzal muslim communities.they don't intermarry.

It was not Marthanda Varma but the his eight knights who imposed these heavy taxes.These very guys conspired and made him flee his kingdom for a while.Most of the wealth of the temple is from Martanda Varma's conquests.The Varmas dedicated this entire wealth to Lord Padmanabha and themselves lived a life of auserity that is followed till date.It was the Varmas who first opened up the temples for the lower castes.

so please start hunting for another "good" reason for a Hindu to convert to Christianity as more and more dalit Christians are coming back to the fold of Hinduism ..because the caste-system thingy isn't ringing any bells. To become a dalit christian from a dalit hindu must sound liberating to you pastor , but to the dalit its the end of the charade

With such an agenda on the mind of the ruling classes I at least would have converted at the earliest opportunity.

and today you would have been a proud Dalit Christian denied entry to churches and burial along with the upper caste Christians. Then you would have met me and i would have sensitized you to the fact that religious conversion cannot drive out a social malaise.If you would be wise , you'd come back to Hinduism , as its the most adaptable to change. The padmanabha dasas you are blaming, were the first ones to open the temples to the lower castes. How foolish of you to have converted pastor :(

And this is only one example of the general national state of affairs that spanned several centuries. Why do you think communism took such strong hold of Kerala for so many years?

kerala, tamil nadu are victims of a greater ploy. ..communists would use and get used by Islamic radicals and Pentecostals to keep a tight grip on these states. Then you have the pseudo-science of aryan-dravidian divide percolating down to the masses.In such a mess communists thrive and the states loses. After kashmir, it's kerala that is witnessing the fastest rise in radical Islam. Even christian professors hands are getting chopped and the culprit gets elected by a thumping majority ..This is good enough for me to understand the brand of secularism and communism in kerala.

Wasn’t Buddhism was born because of the reaction of the middle classes to the exclusivity that the Vedic society conferred upon the Brahmanical classes.

Wrong! Buddhism was born when a king observed a dead body and asked himself ..how can i eradicate suffering. In the course of his understanding he realized that all rituals , relations, emotions are the cause of suffering.It's in this light that he thought the brahmanic rituals were foolish as these cannot alleviate suffering. If if would have seen Jesus or Muhammad, he would have castigated them in much harsher tones
Consider this, Benazir Bhutto conceded her grandfather was a Rajput Hindu and yet she was more than comfortable with her Islamic identity.

Indeed, i have no objection to that aspect of benazir butto. The benazir bhutto i am opposed to is the one whose speech was telecast on kasshmiri mosques where she ordered the devout muslims to drive away the kafir hindus out of the valley and the "inevitale" did happen. an Abrahmic majority drove away all hindus from the valley in this proud secular democracy of india. Today these kashmiri pandits who live in refugee camps are called KPs off comera, on camera the word KP is a big no-n0.. not to be discussed ..,why discuss ,, just a few lakh hindus ..why bother?

Amnesty International , the great HR org ..laughed away their plight . The KPs didn't know what amensty actually is...its only when people at higher positions resigned from amnesty in disgust, that they realized wjat this monster ois all about

In such a case what measures then do you intend to take then to displace people from the faiths that they feel comfortable in?? And more importantly, at what cost?? Perhaps as you mentioned in your post the “inevitable” may have to happen again to fulfill your religious ambitions.

i have no intention to displace people's faith, until they start displacing me from my native place(like the KPs or the NE tribals).The cost is what me and many Hindus are paying in our own country. one part of the inevitable is happening and the other part of the inevitable will happen if the plight of the Hindus goes unattended.

let true secularism be practiced and not minority appeasement ..let there be a uniform civil code and maximum punishment for those who start a riot- be they hindus or muslims or christians without hushing up
Again you mention Kashmir, Kerala and West Bengal as places where Islamic radicalism has made life hell for the Hindus. Firstly I’d like to mention that Indian society is a developing one and in general, the life of the average Indian (to me) or Hindu (to you) is far from satisfactory in terms of parameters of social health such as employment and access to decent healthcare, even in states other than which you mentioned and I assure you that it will take far greater imagination to solve these problems than a simple Hindu vs. Muslim analogy.
http://www.ifpri.org/publication/comparisons-hunger-across-states-india-state-hunger-index

This is all the more disheartening for a Hindu. He is the majority amongst the poor but his prime minister says that Muslims have the first right to the country. His temple money is redirected to building churches and mosques.On top of it , if he mentions his plight , he is branded communal

This link will show you that India ranks at par with Africa when it comes to providing adequate nourishment to its citizens the majority of which happen to be Hindu.

as i said it's bad news for Hindus and more bad news for upper caste Hindus who are treated as third grade citizens and the perpetrators even if they be the poorest of the poor. India should have had reservations on economic lines ..rather it chose the casteist line

This after 60 years of independence and self rule.

would you care to care to check America's history when it was 60 ..once you do you'd be proud how far we have come in as many years. and pls don't quote Japan in your reply. Japan was rebuilt using foreign aid. India was deprived of all it's wealth and had to wriggle out on Her own. The the way she has managed so far is commendable to say the least

I for one cannot accept that religious radicalism needs to be fought with more religious radicalism.

opposing religious radicalism is not religious radicalism.It's rationalism and a sensible thing to do. tolerating intolerance aint smart anywhere. Ask Merkel if you don't believe me

The way America and Europe have dealt with the threat of radical Islam so far, is proof enough that secularism and democracy in combination with military means in the hands of a secular government is far more effective compared to the widespread demonization of a particular community and taking the law into your hands and making the “inevitable” happen.

America is the reason why terrorism is an international phenomenon. It was the facilitator and abettor of terrorism. The Americans know it and hence their cautious reaction.albeit, I do understand that it's only the birthright of Islamic radicals and christian Maoists to wield the gun and for Hindus like me taking the law into ones own hand is not the way forward.Some Hindus did retaliate in kind ..but they found no takers in the majority community. Contrast this with a recent poll on how many Muslims treat osama as a hero and you would have answered yourself there.

Regarding Kashmir, you will be happy to know that, the Indian Government has empowered the Indian Army with what is known as the AFSPA or the Armed Forces special protection Act. Under the statutes of this act an army officer can shoot to kill any person he deems to be a threat to security, destroy any property he deems to be a suspected ammunition dump, and detain and torture any person whom he believes may have information pertaining to insurgents. Read it for yourself here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_(Special_Powers)_Act,_1958

There goes the christian rant. Do i hear a single word on the 7,00,000 displaced and tortured Kashmir pundits ..No! Only the army is to be blamed if it has been given special powers to stop insurgents from killing innocent civilians and burning and blowing up national property.The AFSPA is necessary to protect this country from disintegrating. its no secret that ,many foreign powers want India to disintegrate ..and the border areas the first ones where this mess happens.

Ask yourself a commonsensical question : why is there religious fanatic secessionist cry in border areas only while naxalism is spread across the nation?

A: because the naxals want to take over the nation while the christian and Islamic separatists want to tear apart the nation.USSR, SUDAN, CHINA,THAILAND,INDONESIA ..the virus is everywhere ..how can one overlook it!

Over the past two decades the Indian Army the Indian Army has been so vigorous in utilizing this act that none other than Amnesty International rapped the Indian army for large scale human rights abuses that has left about 10,000 Kashmiris all of them Muslim missing. What’s most interesting is that one hand the Indian government calls the Kashmiris Indian citizens and on the other hand empowers its armed forces to kill its own citizens without fear of legal retribution. No other constitutionally secular and democratic country other than India has promulgated such a statute, of enforcing citizenship by coercion.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/ASA20/031/2006/en/d2d7e559-d3d2-11dd-8743-d305bea2b2c7/asa200312006en.html

ya ya .. do some googling on what is amnesty and what is it's agenda. By the way, along with the evangelical "suggested reading", you must read the newspapers too. The official figures of all casualties is public now and according to the facts more people have died at the hands of terrorists than the security forces. Does amnesty say anything on that? why would it?

So in all honesty if life is hell for Hindus in the Kashmir valley it’s not exactly paradise for the Muslims either.

Show me one muslim community that was driven out by Hindus. There are instances of riots with provocations from both sides. But as far as Kashmir is concerned , it was single handedly the Muslims who drove out the peaceful Hindus out of the valley for the crime of being Hindus. check your specks! ..you aint drawing the parallels right

Moreover the Indian government which has acted with such briskness against its own citizens is reluctant to pursue military means to end the terrorist camps in POK which keeps fueling the insurgency in the Kashmir valley.They of course know very well the lethal potential of following such a course of action against a nuclear armed neighbor.

The nuclear armed neighbor hoax is just that...a hoax .Pakistan and india know that Pakistan cannot exercise this option.Their generals recently admitted that they can never have an upper hand.Its the spinelessness of our govt that it refused to act

Somehow while the lathicharge of Baba Ramdev and his supporters made it to the national headlines as an act of government brutality, the acts of the Indian Army against the Kashmiri civilians are actually applauded in mainstream Indian society as being in national spirit.

brutally beating a crowd of silent protestors who are protesting against corruption is okay? where do live ? 10 janpath?

and how can you compare this attrocity to the collateral damage caused by army or stone pelters in an anti india riot.

In fact some officers in the army have won medals after having killed civilians in cold blood and passed them of as Pakistan trained insurgents.

there's just one such incidence and the officers have been court marshaled and jailed for life, while the militants are busy slitting throats of Christian gals... with zero protests in the valley. It;s easier for them to blame the army and amnesty would e quick to add these false accounts to its dossier.

The Kashmir valley remains the most heavily militarized area in the world with over 800,000 troops for 11 million civilians. Compare that to the national average of 1 policeman per 1000 civilians.

This again is false. Check the facts ..not from amnesty please.

Regarding the radical threat in Bengal and Kerala, both have a Hindu majority and there hasn’t been a single incident of violence of Islamic radicalism in either state even as both states have witnessed civil unrest and violence regarding forcible land acquisition, directed by the populace towards the ruling governments.

just because its not being reported by main stream media does not mean its not happening. It's only when a christian professors hands are chopped or Muslim boy is murdered by a rich Hindu that we get to hear it in the main stream news. If on the same day a hindu boy was beheaded by a Muslim or a Hindu temple was desecrated by Muslims or Christians (Deganga) , that is filtered out. After all these are evangelist sponsored media houses, who are bloody Hindus to demand coverage on a private news channel? right?

Moreover the naxalite threat in Bengal is more acute than the Islamic one. So what action do you propose should be taken in the absence of any manifestation of the supposed threat?

the cadres joining the naxals are illegal Muslim Bangladeshi immigrants..so there's your connection .So deal with both at the same time.

Coming to your Baba Ramdev, was this the very Baba who set up facilities worth Rs. 18 crore including air conditioners before beginning his satyagrah unto death against the ruling government.

what;s wrong in using peoples donated money for proving a comfortable place to protest in the simmering June summer?

Rather than asking the corrupt politicians as to where do they get the money to buy pseudo-protesters and suppoerters 1000 bucks a head from, you are questioning the legit spend on tents for people who would come voluntarily and fast there?
If it was, you would know, that while Anna Hazare according to you slept with the congress, this Baba cut a deal with the congress pledging to end the fast within a day without informing his followers who had gathered from all corners of the country.

he was naive indeed to believe that his letter was meant for the prime minister. Otherwise , tell me a simple thing..when sibbal said that he would not bring an ordinance but just setup a committee ..what was the need for baa ramdev to feel cheated ? He could have settled for the same and come out a winner!
Anna and his gang are looking for givt jobs in the lokpal panel. One condition they have put in their draft is that the person must e a Magsaysay award winner..this is called an elimination criteria .The fake swami agnivesh and left brigade stopped to the lowest levels to appease the congress because there motive was to become part of the panel no matter what happens to corruption.
And when he was baton charged, frightened for his life he escaped into the women’s section of the crowd and tried to hide from the police wearing a salwar kameez borrowed from his lady devotee.

I was watching the whole thing live. The moment he offered to court arrest, they fired tear gas sheels in the oandal. if you read Rajat Sharma's article, Ramdev had told him in the afternoon oitself that they are planning to attack peaceful people and in the mayhem that would follow they plan to eliminate him.

read the whole account here:http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/India/Congress_Midsummer_Folly_Rajat_Sharma-8347.html

its in these circumstances that he chose not to die inconsequentially and you will see in the coming days that he made the right decision .It's a personal embarrassment for him , but that's nothing compared to the mission that is still incomplete.

Then resuming his fast unto death from his ashram in Haridwar he went on prime time TV declaring his ownership of an over Rs. 1100 crore of the Patanjali Yog Peeth empire along with his aide Balakrishna. Following that, this veteran of the kapalbhati could no longer carry out his fast and weak and malnourished landed into hospital into the care of doctors whose practice of modern medicine he earlier decried as being ineffective and useless.

He never decried modern medicine as useless. as for his stamina , say whatever , but ring me a someone who walked 1lakh kilometers , addressed and awakened 10 crore people directly and then for 9 days kept a fast , speaking to the audience at the pitch of his voice and doing yogasanas in the morning,day and night..and then tell me that he failed.

The 11,00 crores have been donated y the people who have befeited from his programs. He is no HHSSRS to charge people exorbitantly..since the last two years he conducts yoga classes for free.

as a contrast please note that sonia ji's foreign travel cost is 11,00 crores..and now i know you wont find that objectionable at all..only hindus are to be slandered why trouble a pious christian soul..right?

Finally our very own HHSSRS “persuaded” him to accept a glass of juice and end his fast unto death. The multi billionaire yogi, owner of the Cumbrae Island in Scotland worth 2 million British pounds, yoga master to the country, was able to fast against corruption for all of nine days, and ended his fast in the very same hospital that Baba Nigamanand, fasting in protest of the BJP government sanctioned sand mining along the banks of his beloved Ganges, died after 115 days of fasting. Indeed how many multi billionaires have we heard of who fasted to death.

The island was donated by a follower. Nigamanand was not fasting against the mining as the givt had already agreed to stop the mining in his previous fast. he was fasting for cleaning up of the ganga.which the congress states are polluting without compunction.

So for elites such as me social activists such as Anna Hazare, who as an army man had been strafed by Pakistani jets and had seen his comrades fall , with his zero bank balance will have to be the representative for the common man in the fight against corruption.

I don't know what are the bare minimums to qualify as an elite..but given anna's education i could qualify too .and from where i stand i see this anna as the same guy who called off his fasts in maharashtra when he came to know that the ministers wont budge.He;s a shrewd politician who is a dictator in his kingdom ralegaon. you have to be there to know what kind of a gandhian he actually is.

Anyways seems like your Baba Ramdev has again approached Anna, yes the one who according to you slept with the congress, to include him among the activists, you know the ones hankering after the Magsaysay prize, for the fast scheduled to start form 15 th Aug. if the Lokpal bill isn’t passed by then.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Anna-Hazare-puts-conditions-for-Baba-Ramdev-to-join-fast/articleshow/9011200.cms

As i said, Baba ramdev is naive no doubt. He needs some smart guys to remind him that anna is snubbing him just like HHSSRS did after getting him to break his fast and then declaring i don;t approve of ramdev;s methods ..i ama messiah of peace.

Anna and the others are parasites.1 lakh people gathered in ramlila maidan..none of them elite ..the common man came there much to the dislike of "elites". Ramdev will come back with a bang..so why am i defending him so much .. wait for september !

Regarding your ideas of sensitizing this baba to homosexuality, you will find it the least of your problems. For high on the list of the to do items in the Rashtradharm document is the creation of ‘Akhand Bharat”, the dream of the RSS, which includes modern day India along with present day Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Kailash Manasarovar.

Let them dream..i am not a party to any such thought ..nor are the majority of Hindus. what we want is an appeasement free and truly secular India.
To obtain this entity, India will have to go war with four countries out of which two are declared nuclear powers and have no love lost for India. Pls. do sensitize him to this fact, if he is serious, and if he is not, congratulate him on a brilliant concept to win more followers. I’m sure you can do this since you have already indicated your are on talking terms with him.

you mixed up ramdev;s bharat swabhiman with RSS akhand bharat ? but guess one has to do this kind of stuff ..the pastors job aint easy i understand.as i said, i don;t want the akhand bharat of the RSS kind ..i want my Bharat whatever it is today to remain akhand ..free from evangelists trying to tear it apart from NE and free from Islamic radicals tearing it apart from kerala and kashmir and bengal and free from naxals toppling it upside down from within.

You can purchase all your dreams of grandiosity and glory; only pay the price for it.

the grand dream is a far cry ...the burning question is how to stop ythese evangelists and radicals and naxals from snatching away whatever we have . hope you'll join the cause

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"Agreed, let’s not take his word as gospel truth. By that yardstick let’s not take anyone’s words as gospel truth, including yours or mine or that of the Gita, Koran or the Bible. Let this be the starting point for this debate."

Fair enough!

"Again I don’t know what your yardsticks are to determine what constitutes maligning Hinduism. You could perhaps point out for me in your reply the exact specific sentences spoken by Manu that in your opinion constituted maligning of Hinduism. I for one couldn’t see one sentence or one word that spoke ill about Hinduism or its tenets."

After laughing off Rabindra Nath tagore's Dumbledore outfit( as if Manu has never seen the Pope and Padre gowns), he uses the dress itself as an argument to rubbish India's contribution in spirituality.It does not take rocket science to establish how vacuous and ill-intended the argument is. Not to forget that Manu is deceiving his audience by ignoring Voltaire and other philosophers before Tagore who made the same point.
Dishonest and shallow arguments are always suspect and i am well within my rational right to investigate Manu's motives here

Contrary to what Western philosophers attest, Manu pronounces : "Mr. Shankar has emphasized the branding of India as the spiritual home of the world. It is one of the MOST enduring and absurd of MYTHS."
As if that was not enough ..Manu launches a frontal attack on the structure of Hinduism itself : "These exotic gurus emerge because Hinduism is not a structured faith with a central authority or a chain of command. So there is more room for spiritual freelancers.".. again its obvious he's insinuating that organized gangs with a hierarchy and authoritarian head are a better way to run religion than letting it be without a strict structure.
Clearly Manu is batting for Christianity, he wants middle men and agents to God rather than people having the freedom to interact with God directly.That's his view and he is entitled to that BUT NOT use it as public benchmark against Hinduism or any other religion without any rationale.

He takes a dig at the errant hindu gurus "like the man who convinced his female followers that his blessing was bestowed by massaging their breasts." Does his not know the use and abuse of pearly bottom boys by Pastors, and Nun's made to spread the bible across the continents on command of the padres? How good and unbiased an author would you consider me if i use the example of these sex maniac aberrations as an argument against Christianity or the church hierarchy??

I wonder how you missed all this bile and ask me for proofs with a straight face :(

"And if he couldn’t forget the way he was snubbed by Ravi and his gang 9 years ago, surely you and I can forgive him for that."

this one , i concur.Reporters have as much if not more right to get carried away as a guru :) just they must admit that they did that at the cost of the viewership

"Again, unless and until you point out the exact sentences spoken by Manu that you felt were maligning Hinduism I cannot agree or disagree with your statement that Manu has disdain for Hinduism."

responded above.make your mind

"But it’s true that many new converts, not just from Hinduism to other religions, have apathy or disdain even for their old religion. For instance Adam Gadahn was an American Christian convert to Islam and is now spokesperson for the Al Qaeda. Many reasons can contribute to this disdain, for instance even as recently as the 1950’s in my home state of Kerala the task of scavenging night soil was exclusive to the dalit community. Another example was the statute of the Travancore state disallowing lower caste women from wearing upper garments in the presence of the Namboodiri Brahmins. Both situations led to large scale social revolt. To tell you the truth if someone forced my sister to go without an upper garment on the basis of her caste citing religious injunctions from the Manu Smriti or relegating my life to cleaning night soil for similar reasons, then not only would I convert, I’d probably say, to bloody hell with the Manu Smriti. These are but two instances of discrimination sanctioned by religion. "

We have instances of brutality in every religion.Caste bias in India is not a HINDU issue, It's a social malaise that is rampant in every religion in India.Evangelists fool gullible people into believing that a social malaise will vanish just by changing your religion. It cannot. You must be aware that there are separate churches for dalit and brahmin Christians in south. Also, the poor dalit Christians don't even have the right to be buried along with upper caste Christians. This is happening TODAY not in 1950s! A Brahmin Christian does not want to marry his child to a non-brahmin christian. These are the sad realities of the despicable caste system that is religion agnostic in India

"To be fair this is not exclusive to Hinduism alone. Many Muslims have shed Islam as have numerous Christians who have shed Christianity. Refer to this website for ex Christians who have put their religion under the scanner. http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/ ."

I never advocated for Hindus to stick to Hinduism.Everybody must be free to choose his or her religion (or atheism) .What is disheartening though is the methods used by foreign evangelists and Dawah agencies to harvest souls.I am sure Jesus never wanted to liberate a soul through a rice bag, job offer etc. If you see the freelance reports on how these missionaries are gaining converts you would know.

"With whom is it a burning problem?? Is it as burning a problem as unemployment, population, pollution, lack of public healthcare and sanitation, lack of proper infrastructure and last but not the least, corruption?"

Economic development at the cost of internal/external security makes you lose both.
I mentioned one burning problem in the context of the article. India is not a single cell amoeba.Its a huge country with many challenges. This does not mean that we should sweep a problem under the carpet by clouding it with others.

As of today Italy is in a financial mess ..the whole EU is trembling - but that's an economic issue : How wise it would be for me to poke this problem while discussing Christianity ? i know you know the answer so please don't digress.
you and i can discuss this burning problem.Rest assured that 1 billion plus are discussing the other burning problems as well.But it aint wise to mix up issues..right?

"Under a secular democratic constitution every person has the right to propagate their religion and every person has the right to choose for himself or herself the religion or spiritual philosophy that suits them best."

I never objected to conversion , only to UNETHICAL conversion. Duping and gaining converts from the lowest levels of maslow's hierarchy is unethical and a crime in any sensible SECULAR democracy.

As far as secularism is concerned, India is not a secular country.It follows "equal respect for all religions" ..which unfortunately is an alien concept in the Abrahmic Faith. They may at best TOLERATE the other faiths , but they would never RESPECT the other faiths. You would be aware the christian and Islamic literature against Hinduism and it's gods specially prepared to gain converts and unfortunately create a permanent hatred against the parent culture .

This is what i am against.If you want to free my soul..do that in delhi , bangalore, chennai and prove the point.why get inside tribal areas foment naxalaism and secession and make the tribals fight and kill each other ..those very tribals who were living in harmony since time immemorial until your gospel arrived?

it's a matter of introspection ..that we must!

" It is because of secularism that so many Hindus starting from Vivekananda in 1890’s to ISKCON and the more recent new age Gurus like HHSSRS and Jaggi Vasudev have been able to carry their philosophy to the West and propagate it freely. Many such organizations including AOL and Isha foundation even enjoy tax free status in the USA. Millions in western society have embraced these philosophies with no interference from either the state or the church. If it shows the greatness of these philosophies, it also shows the open mindedness of western society to different ways of thought. By that yardstick if we surmise that Indian society is secular then the evangelization by missionaries for fulfilling spiritual needs amongst society cannot be regarded as egregious by any stretch of imagination."

India's secularism is flawed.It's temple money and land is usurped by the government while it turns a blind eye to the financial irregularities and illegalities of missionary funds. Does this look like separation of Temple and State??Does the US have any clause that states that all Church money must be brought under government control? NO! so lets not compare India and US..India's brand of secularism is as flawed as German multiculturalism which the chancellor now realizes was a BIG MISTAKE!

alien cultures living in ghettos and spurring hatred against the native culture is not the idea of secularism at all.Appeasing the minority at the cost of majority is not the idea of secularism at all.Germany has learned it's lesson and i hope India does that ASAP.

as i said , i am not against religious conversion, provided it is ethical. Do you find any Hindu sect hunting for gullible aborigines in Australia or Native Americans to convert them by luring them? NO! The Indian gurus ( i don't consider the NYC bound spiritual stand up comedians as Gurus BTW) address an audience that is educated and can take its own decisions without any force or allurement [ I do concede here that using Hatha Yoga as device to stun the audiences rationality is unethical]

"If you discard secularism, and take away from people the freedom to choose their own way to potential spiritual salvation, because your religious ego is getting hurt, then your angst against the foreign missionaries becomes understandable. "

My angst against foreign missionaries stems not from my aversion to secularism but the very murder of secularism that is happening in my own country by their hands. As a hindu I am silent spectator when the temple money is usurped by the government and a portion of the same is donated to other religions.Temple land is appropriated and doled out to missionaries as the chief minister himself is a devout christian(Andhra Pradesh YSR) . I am also silently watching how secular tax money is used for subsidizing visits to mecca and jerusalem (none for amarnath or kailash mansarovar - hindu pays from his pockets). Now you want me dead as a mark of proving my secularism ..right?

I cannot! as i see these missionaries creating divides between converted and native tribal.I see them fueling naxalism and separatism in north eastern states of India.I see them making refugees out of the native Hindu population in Kerala, tripura and Kashmir. I cannot just gobble this with the flawed definition of secularism that you are offering to me.

"Then your argument essentially becomes, why didn’t these tribals and “north easterners” go in for some form of Hinduism rather than Christianity, as their way to salvation. I’m also curious to know why Hinduism waited for evangelists to reach out to the spiritual and material needs of the tribals and other animists and the NE areas before realizing the “danger” it was in."

Every country and state may have its weak areas .That does not mean that these weaknesses should be opened to exploitation. We don;t need foreign missionaries with suspect funding. We have a thriving Indian Christian community in India , i don't have any objection to them teaching the gospel to the Pagan(happy?) .Today north eastern states and goa are a holy mess where the church and state cannot be separated..they are killing the very idea of secularism and you choose to remain blind. It seems my angst must now be directed against you for feigning ignorance of these facts which even the Indian Christians lament.The Pentecostals have made the life of native Christians hell in the south.

for a rational person it aint difficult to catch these vultures that feed on economic, social and religious fault-lines.Its these vultures i am against. India has been a home and refuge to every religion when they were persecuted elsewhere essentially because of the secularism that is inherent in Hinduism. As a Hindu i believe all paths lead to God i don't have to learn secularism from a evangelist who says that only Jesus is the way or Muhammad is the way.

Abrahmic religions are not secular at all. To them all others are bound to hell and hence must not be mingled with or respected in any way ! The fact that i respect the right of abrahmics to hate me must give you an idea of my secualrism versus theirs.
moot point ..stop beating Hinduism ..as it's the only deterrent which keeps one abrahmic sect from killing another in the name of their true god and true path.

"In response, allow me to get some facts out of the way. Firstly at nearly one billion the population of people professing some or the other form of Hinduism on planet earth has never been larger. This is nearly equal to the Muslim and catholic population on planet earth. In India, Christians account for a measly 25 million. This is almost equal to the size of the Indian migrant population living in non Hindu countries including the Gulf States. So in terms of sheer numbers Christians really constitute the proverbial drop in the ocean of Indian society. So now that I’ve gladdened your heart with some actual figures I can point out that the Kandhamal clashes were not the first between the two communities. Before the Kandhamal riots, an alleged RSS activist, Dara Singh and his supporters, had torched the jeep of the Australian missionary Graham Staines with him and his two sons inside it. This was amongst the first clear indications that certain sections of Oriya society did not take kindly to the missionary activities of Staines and were prepared to drop the customary “eastern serenity” to make their displeasure felt and hence the “inevitability” of what happened."

While what happened to graham staines and his innocent children cannot be condoned in any way,you again ignore the observation of the supreme court on this incident. The supreme court observed that illegal conversion was rampant in that belt and chrsitian converts were being pitted against their own non-converted tribal relatives.A few days before the gory incident, a hundred huts of Hindu tribals were burnt down by the tribal converts. It was a revenge act , heinous of course, but not less heinous than what preceded it.

" In the context of Kandhamal I gather you are referring to the killing of Laxmananda Saraswati by the Maoists as being the trigger for the ensuing violence. The link below shows the RSS version of the violence in the words of Ram Madhav, the RSS spokesman. http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jan/08guest.htm."

This is old news. read the mahapatra commission report on kadhamal which the government refused to tale in the parliament.It shows how rampant is the malaise of illegal conversion and its resulting impact on peace in that state

in the graham staines case the court made the following observation Q.The Supreme Court said today, "We hope Mahatma Gandhi's vision of religion playing a positive development integrating into a prosperous nation will be realized. There is no justification from interfering in someone's belief through force, conversion or false premise that one religion is better than the other." UnQ

"So as per your justifications “rice Christians” faked their ST status to get government jobs and the political representative sat by doing nothing presumably because he was a converted rice Christian himself. First of all I presume that in your definition rice Christian is one who converts for some material benefit. Again I wish to ask you, how different is this from the Hindu who goes to the temple and offers a coconut or does some puja imploring the deity or some other God to fulfill his material wishes, let’s say success in an election? You have a problem with the former but will be prepared to overlook the latter because it may be more in line with your way of fulfilling desires."

a Hindu does not offer the coconut to a Aston to become Ashwini. that's the fundamental difference. Even Christians pray and beg to their god for forgiveness and material benefits. so point number one is a logical fallacy..lets look at the second one

"Secondly you mention that large scale killing, rioting and arson by the majority against the minority is “inevitable” and permissible in such cases, despite availability of constitutional means to resolve the same and therefore the whole exercise is a justified expression of anger for the majority."

putting words into my mouth? "inevitable" does not mean "just", "right" or "permissible". I said Inevitable in the sense that i believe Hindus are as rational or irrational as the Christians or Muslims.If Muslims can riot (its not their fundamental right ..right?) ..so can Hindus retaliate(not their fundamental right again) ..it's inevitable to stop this mob frenzy unless of-course Indians of all creeds be sensitized to the fact that rule of law is supreme.So the anger is justified, the riot is unjustified but is inevitable till the time people are sensitized.Also, the disproportionate number of victims is clearly because of the statistics you provided.there are less Hindus available to be killed , but more to retaliate :(

"This is exactly the justification given by the VHP/RSS for the Muslim specific state sponsored genocide that happened in Gujarat post-Godhra as in, the Muslims have misbehaved by torching the Sabarmati express, the rage of the majority cannot be suppressed now and must be allowed to be felt; the Muslims need to be punished, so discard all constitutional means of dealing with such violence, and take some direct action yourself to resolve/avenge the issue as in large scale indiscriminate killing of mostly defenseless fellow citizens who happened to have the wrong religion by RSS/VHP standards. Again the word “inevitable”. "

The very fact that you mention "post-godhra" riots is telling. Killing of Hindus must not irritate the Hindus but killing of Muslims by these angry post riot out-of-their mind Hindus must be treated as national shame!!? WOW!

so what do we have from here: Hindus are disposable commodities who should not retaliate against the privileged human beings aka Muslims and Christians. A hindu is expected to grab a popcorn tub and enjoy Hindus being butchered by minorities with a level of rationality that is not to be expected from the minority !

Why dont you get this simple fact dear that hindus in general can be as dumb as christians and muslims. Its just that their numbers are greater and hence whenever a minority attacks them the retaliation brings more victims to the minority community.This does not make rioting by EITHER PARTY right..but the argument of numbers is insane as is the despicable act of taking law into ones own hand.

unfortunately the idea of your kinds is not to investigate godhra (as it involves the killing of inconsequential Hindus), but simply ignore it and have some "POST"-godhra hindus bashing. sorry that doesn't sell
"Contrast this to the response of American society to the 9/11 attacks. If ever a large scale pogrom and state sponsored violence towards a specific community should have happened, it should have happened now. However the “inevitable” as you put it, never came to pass. The lives of and property of Muslims remained safe and sound, no large scale organized rioting against the minority, as in the case of Kandhamal or Gujarat, happened and the American armed forces took the battle to those who really deserved it, and radical Islam is being picked apart by means of debate by American society, debating being a better option that resolving issues out on the street. It’s hardly surprising then that it’s America which is the most favored destination for emigration for migrants the world over."

I agree, we must salute American citizens for that.They do realize the perils of radical Islam but are mature enough to use debate as a medium to expose this menace rather than take the law in their own hands. But please appreciate that American democracy is 200 years old ..Indian democracy is just 63 years old. Not even 80 years ago , if you look at how Americans reacted to apparent aliens(blacks) is well known to the world.Ever heard the song : "Strange Fruit" ?

having said that, remember that the 9/11 attack was a terrorist attack. and not a communal riot. India behaved in a similar mature fashion after the multi-city bomb-blasts and 26/11 attacks.Here again, to your dislike, the "inevitable" alone happened.Indians realized that these are foreign terrorists acting with the support of some local misguided terrorists (oxymoron ..nay!) and hence did not take to the streets.So don't start self-flagellating again. Indians are growing up as much as the others. so chill!

"By posting this argument, are you admitting that Christian missionaries have done yeoman service to further the cause of education and social service in India, and you want to show that Hindu organizations aren’t too far behind or are even ahead??? As long as help is reaching to those who need it, does it really matter? When was a hungry person, or a leper or a destitute a Hindu or a Christian? I really wouldn’t have any problems if after receiving help from a Hindu organization a poor tribal decided to throw in his lot with the Hindus. Point is, this wasn’t even in the article written by Manu and yet curiously you somehow felt it necessary to bring it up."

yeoman service it would have been if they would not have converted these people, taken money from these very poor people to fund, build and maintain pakka churches while themselves living in mud houses.The DAV colleges and saraswati shishu mandirs are open to all communities not like minority institutions which have upto 50% reservation for the ..what you call them... "drops in the ocean".

btw, I brought this point up not against the article but against your comment.

"Actually I did ask myself honestly and the answer that came back was, “in the human mind” the very same mind that invented the computer, the internet, the space rocket and the vaccine for polio. The very same mind that came up with concepts like secularism, democracy, freedom of speech and rationalism also came up with all the philosophies that you have listed out. And while I won’t comment on the greatness of RBT’s “eastern serenity” comment nor on his spirituality, since there isn’t a Nobel Prize for spirituality yet, the acceptance of it by Einstein certainly testifies to his open mindedness,

a) first you steal the IPR of Indian Spiritualism by attributing it to the "human mind" in general
b)the you portray the acceptance of this spirituality as Einstein's benevolence ...Openness !!!!
In one stroke you paint Einstein's "ADORATION" of Indian Spirituality as his ability to "WITHSTAND" Indian spirituality. You are the next Manu Joseph ..the bad news is he doesn't sell !

Nobody can divide you from humanity unless you allow them to.

Arahmic faiths are doing that constantly and the world is a witness to that.A tribal in afganistan or bastar does not have the liberty of debate and rational dialogue like you and me.It's this crop that is harvested by the evangelsists.The facts are staring at our faces..northe east wants to secede from India, Kashmir has driven out hindus and wants islamic sharia , kerala and west bengal are now totally divided between the faithful and the kafir(or Pagan if you will)
There's a us versus them divide programmed in the abrahmic faith system and the hindu caste system...both need to be dealt withif we really want humanity to unite.

"I dont doubt pythagoras hearing of the ability of gangetic mathematicians, being the true learner he is , must have come down all the way to satisfy his thirst for knowledge.
This is fairly commonplace you would agree given the fact that thousands upon thousands of Indian students visit western shores to learn and be trained in scientific techniques. Perhaps the west paying back her debts to the east, someone interested in dividing knowledge on the basis of geographical directions might say ????"

The very fact that you eulogize west and discredit the east in the same breath belies your clarion call of geographical indifference to knowledge.

anyways , let me tell you the real debt the west is paying . The first industrial revolution was funded by the dismantling of Indian (undivided india- dhaka) textile industry and setting up the same in Manchester(now you know why Manchester and liverpool are still fighting ;) ).The colonial loot of India (before the mughal and british invasion india was the third biggest economy of the world and by the time they left we were a famine stricken poor country). This in turn fueled science and tech research.While the west got a jump-start with new found indian wisdom and wealth, India tried to gather itself up from the state it was in in 1947.
The west is not inviting Indians for free.Of course India has to do some catching up on the research front, but it was left behind in the race not because of lack of merit but because of it being forced into backwardness thanks to the west.As far as scientific knowledge is concerned , we owe it more to Israel than anybody else otherwise India and other progressive nations have also contributed their fair share to this growing secular knowledge.

having said that , I respect the great minds irrespective of where they came from but not at the cost of eulogizing the western geniuses and trashing the eastern ones be they secular or religious. Where the credit is due..it's due !
so please ":do the due" ;)

" and as for evangelical bile, Im really past the stage of calling bile evangelical or otherwise. Bile is bile, and I know the bile when I see it and my sadhana is to offer no place for any kind of bile in my mind."

what kind of a saadhak is he who cannot see evangelism as bile itself.Evangelism is all about reminding the other of his alleged inferiority and ones own superiority.This is the very bile that is opposed in the content of this blog where you have to accept a mortal as God or final authority as the commander of your thoughts,actions and deeds...all of this bile can only bind you and never liberate you

anyways ..all the best with your sadhana . so long !

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Salwa al-Mutairi said Keep Sex Slaves to your husband

Larry Kosborn

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Men should be allowed sex slaves and female prisoners could do the job - and all this from a WOMAN politician from Kuwait

She gave the example of Haroun al-Rashid, an 8th century Muslim leader who ruled over an area covered by modern-day Iran, Iraq and Syria and was rumoured to have 2,000 concubines.

Mutairi recommended that offices could be opened to run the sex trade in the same way that recruitment agencies provide housemaids.

She suggested shopping for prisoners of war so as to protect Kuwaiti men from being tempted to commit adultery or being seduced by other women's beauty.

'For example, in the Chechnyan war, surely there are female Russian captives,' she said.

'So go and buy those and sell them here in Kuwait. Better than to have our men engage in forbidden sexual relations.'

Her unbelievable argument for her plan was that ‘captives’ might 'just die of hunger over there'.

She insisted, 'I don’t see any problem in this, no problem at all'.

In an attempt to consider the woman's feelings in the arrangement, Mutari conceded that the enslaved women, however, should be at least 15.

Mutairi said that during a recent visit to Mecca, she asked Saudi muftis – Muslim religious scholars – what the Islamic ruling was on owning sex slaves. They are said to have told her that it is not haram.

The ruling was confirmed by 'specialized people of the faith' in Kuwait, she claimed.

'They said, that’s right, the only solution for a decent man who has the means, who is overpowered by desire and who does not want to commit fornication, is to acquire jawari.' Jawari is the plural of the Arabic term jariya, meaning 'concubine' or 'sex slave'.

One Saudi mufti supposedly told Mutairi: 'The context must be that of a Muslim nation conquering a non-Muslim nation, so these jawari have to be prisoners of war.'

Concubines, she argued, would suit Muslim men who fear being 'seduced or tempted into immoral behaviour by the beauty of their female servants'.

MY COMMENT:

I think it's a very good idea, that MUST be adopted by all christian states as well, regarding muslim women as slaves for christian men.

in one week, with our mighty armies, weapons and nukes, ALL muslim women will be our slaves, ready for blowjobs, gangbangs and stuff.

thank you Salwa al Mutairi for your wonderful idea!

USA can easily fuck all the muslim countries in no time. We haven't even used our 25% of strength. LOL

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İlginç bir teori

Hakan Sert

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Bu güne kadar bize anlatılan dinde, İnsanların çoğalma şekli anlatılırken, Allah ilk önce hazreti Ademi yarattı.Daha sonra onun sağ kaburga kemiğinden hazreti havayı yarattı. Onlar evlendiler. Her Doğumda çocuklar ikiz doğuyordu doğan çocukların mutlaka biri kız biri erkek oluyordu. Her batından doğan çocukların bir biriyle evlenmeleri yasak ama başka batından doğan erkek ve kız bir birlerini almaları ise helal diye anlatmışlar durmuşlardır.
Yani insanların ilk üreme şekli kardeş evliliği ile başlıyor. Bu Anlayış Allah ın dinine bir iftiradır.Şimdi Kur’an dan İnsanların türeme şekli nasılmış ve nasıl olmalıdır onu incelemeye çalışalım.
Kur’an da anlatılan üreme ve yaratılış biçimi: Daha önce Adem, melek , iblis şeytan, cin , kelimelerini Kur’an da ki ayetler ışığında izah etmiştik. Bunları burada tekrar izah etmeye gerek yok. Şimdi insanların türeme şeklini bize anlatan ayetleri incelemeye çalışarak çelişkisiz bir dini anlatmaya çalışacağım inşallah.
71/17-“Allah sizi yerden bir bitki gibi bitirdi.”
71/18”Sonra sizi oraya tekrar geri çevirecek, ve sizi bir çıkarışla ,diriltip çıkaracaktır.”
Ayetlerden anlaşıldığı gibi,ilk insanlar yaratılırken , bir tek insandan yaratılmadığı, bir çok insandan yaratıldığı vurgulanmaktadır. Şimdi Bu anlayışın tam aksine gibi bir anlam taşıyan ayeti nakletmeye çalışalım.
49/13”Ey İnsanlar gerçekten biz sizi,bir erkek ve bir dişiden yarattık. Birbirinizle tanışmanız için halklar ve kabileler kıldık. Şüphesiz Allah katında sizin en üstün olanınız,(soyca değil) Takvaca en ilerde olanınızdır.Şüphesiz Allah bilendir haber alandır.”
Kur’an burada İnsanları bir erkek ve dişiden yarattık ifadesini kullanırken,Üreme,çoğalma biçiminin,formülünden bahsetmektedir. Yani bir insanın çoğalma biçiminin oluşabilmesi için,Erkeğin sperması ile kadının yumurtalığının birleşmesi sonucunda olduğu anlatılmak istenmektedir. Yoksa klasik dinde anlatıldığı gibi Adem ve Havva değildir. Eğer öyle olmuş olsaydı Kur’an da bahsedilen kardeş evliliğinin haram olmasıyla ilgili ayete ters düşerdi.
4/23”Sizlere anneleriniz kızlarınız, kız kardeşleriniz,halalarınız, teyzeleriniz, erkek kardeşlerinizin kızları, sizi emziren anneleriniz, süt kız kardeşleriniz,kadınlarınızın anneleri, ve Kendisiyle gerdeğe girdiğiniz, kadınlarınızdan olup, koruyuculuğunuz altında bulunan, üvey kızlarınız, onlarla gerdeğe girmemişseniz,size bir sakınca yoktur.Sizin sülbünüzden olan oğullarınızın eşlerive iki kız kardeşi bir araya getirdiğiniz (evlilik ) haram kılındı ancak,(cahiliyede) geçen geçmiştir. Şüphesiz Allah bağışlayandır esirgeyendir.”
Anlatılan ayette Erkeklere haram olan kadınları sıralarken başkabir ayette de kadınlara haram olan erkekleri anlatmaktadır. Şimdi o ayeti nakletmeye çalışalım.
33/55” Onlar için babaları oğulları kardeşleri, erkek kardeşlerinin oğulları, kız kardeşlerinin oğulları, Kadınları ve sağ elinin malik olduğu (cariyeleri) hakkında bir sakınca yoktur.( ey Müslüman kadınlar) Allah tan sakının şüphesiz Allah her şeye şahid olandır.”
İlk Yaratılan insan topluluğu içerisinden Allah bir peygamber göndermiştir, Allah’a ve gönderilen peygambere bağlı olanların adı müslümandır. En son peygamberin getirdiği dinin adı İslam bağlı olanların adı da müslümandır.
Öyleyse İlk Yaratılan insanlarla Kıyametin kopuş anına kadar vahye bağlı insanların, dinleri arasında farklılık yoktur Bir Toplumda zorunlu bir durum ortaya çıkmadıkça Helal olanlar diğer toplumlarda da helaldir haram olanlar da diğer toplumlarda da haramdır. Şimdi nasıl aynı anneden doğan kardeş evliliği haram ise ilk insan topluluğundaki insanlarda da kardeş evliliği haram idi
16/118” Yahudi olanlara da sana aktardıklarımızı haram kıldık. Biz onlara zulmetmedik ancak onlar kendi nefislerine zulmediyorlardı.”
Allah ilk insanların yaratılışından sonra bir sünnet koymuştur. Ve bu sünnetini bir erkek ve bir dişiden insanları türeterk devam ettirip durmaktadır.Allah’ın Yarattığı ve bir sünnet olarak devam ettirip durduğu dinin adı fıtrat dinidir İbrahim dinidir hanif dinidir.
30/30”Öyleyse sen yüzünü Allah’ı Birleyen (bir hanif ) olarak,dine Allah’ın Fıtratına çevir ki, İnsanları bununüzerine yaratmıştır.Allah’ın Yaratışı için hiçbir değiştirme yoktur. İşte dimdik ayakta duran din ( budur. ) Ancak insanların çoğu bilmezler.”
Diyorlar ki Allah’ın Kendi koyduğu kurallarına uymaya mecbur mu tutuyorsun diyorlar. Haşa Allah’a Böyle bir şey söylemek ,bizim haddimize değildir.Allah Dilediğini dilediği gibi yapar. Ona hiçbir sözümüz yoktur ancak Allah vaad ettiğini yerine getirendir. Bir de Allah'ın koyduğu kanunlar ile pratik hayat uyuşmamış olsaydı. Kainat fesada uğrardı. Allah Her şeyi bir intizam ve düzen içinde yaratmıştır.
22/47”Onlar azabın senden çarçabuk getirilmesini istiyorlar,Allah Vadine kesin olarak muhalefet etmez,Gerçekten senin rabbin katında bir gün sizin saymakta olduklarınızdan bin yıl gibidir.”
İnsanların Türeme şeklini bir adam değil de veya bir adem değil de bir çak adam veya bir çok adem yaratsaydı veya yaratmış olarak, anlaşılsaydı İnsanlara haram olan kardeş evliliği o zaman da haram idi mantığı daha uygun olmaz mıydı. Çünkü Her peygamber kendinden önce gelen peygamberleri doğrulamış ve tasdik etmiş ve kendinden sonra gelecek olan peygamberi de müjdelemiş böylece Akaidi bozulmayan bir din ortaya gelmiştir.
61/6” Hani Meryem oğlu İsa da, Ey İsrail oğulları, Gerçekten ben sizin için Allah’tan gönderilmiş bir elçiyim. Benden önce tevratı doğrulayıcı, ve benden sonra ismi Ahmet olan, Bir elçinin de müjdeleyicisiyim demişti. Fakat o onlara apaçık belgelerle gelince bu açıkça bir büyüdür demişlerdi.”
Allah İnsan oğlunun ilk yaratışıyla, insan oğlunun son yaratılışı arasındaki hayat ağını Hiç hata ve eksik olmadan çelişkisiz bir biçimde peygamberler göndererek, çelişkisiz bir biçimde örmüştür. Her An ve her zaman elçileri peş peşe dizerek, kendi yolunda yürümek isteyenleri, Haram ve helal olanları bildirerek haramlardan sakınmayı helalleri yapıp ve yaptırmayı teşvik eden elçiler göndermiştir. Kendi özgür iradesiyle şeytanın yolunda gitmek isteyenlere de müdahale etmemiş serbet bırakmıştır.
Kur’an Peygamberlerin yerini ve konumunu ortaya koyarken onlara bir değer biçmiştir. Onlar Allah’ın vermiş olduğu bir emri yerine getirmede kesinlikle çekimser kalmazlar. Onlar Allahın emirlerine karşı muhalefet edemezler Allah’a şirk koşmazlar. Bakınız Adem kelimesini sadece peygamber olarak algılayanlar. Kur’an da geçen şu ayete muhalefet ederler. Şimdi ayeti buraya naklederek beraber düşünelim.
7/189”O sizi tek bir nefisten yarattı, Ve kendisiyle durulup yatışması için,ondan eşini var etti. Onu (eşini) Örtüp Bürüyünce, O da bir yük yüklendi, Bununla (bir süre) gezindi.nitekim ağırlaşınca ikisi Rableri olan Allah’a, dua ettiler.eğer bize Salih bir çocuk verirsen, andolsun şükredenlerden olacağız.
Ayette geçen tek bir nefis sözü, Bir Adamı sembolize ederek,ondaki yaratılış biçiminin aynısı olan kadını da aynı nefis cinsinden yarattığı anlaşılması gerekmektedir. Burada erkek ve kadınların Hepsinde akıl takva ve fısk ve fücur olduğu şeklinde anlaşılmalıdır.
Yoksa buradaki tek bir nefis ifadesini Hz. Adem peygamber olarak anlaşılmış olsaydı akebinde gelen ayete tezat teşkil ederdi.
7/190” Ama o onlara Salih (bir çocuk) verince kendilerine verdiği şey konusunda, ona ortaklar kılmaya başladılar. Allah onların şirk koştuklarından yücedir.”
Hiçbir peygamber müşrik değildir. Hiçbir peygamber çocuğunu Allah’tan daha çok sevemez. Öyleyse burada bahsedilen tek bir nefis adem peygamber değil insan oğlunun genelini kaplayan bir haslettir.
Bu gün insanların geneli öyle değil mi? Çocuklarına olan sevgilerini Allah’a olan sevgilerinin önüne çıkarıp çocuklarını ilahlaştırmıyorlar mı? İnsanların genelinde mal ve Dünya tutkusu Allah’a olan sevginin önünde ilerlemektedir. Ama Peygamberler Allah’ın Kutsal ruh ile desteklediği elçilerdir Onlar Eğitimlerini peygamber olduktan sonra Allah'tan almışlardır. Onların nerde ne yapacağını Allah bildirir onlar Allah’ın koyduğu sınırlar içerisinde haraket ederler.
Elbette Kur’an da bir adem peygamber geçmektedir ama bu adem çocuğunu Allah’a ortak eden adem değil peygamber olarak övülen ademdir.
3/33” Gerçek şu ki, Allah Ademi , Nuh’u İbrahim ailesini ve İmran ailesini Alemler üzerine seçti.”
İşte bu Adem peygamber Yaratılan İlk Ademler arasından Allah’ın Seçtiği ve ilk adem topluluğuna gönderdiği bir elçidir. Yoksa ilk insan yaratıldığı zaman peygamber olmaz. Peygamberlik Sonradan kişilerin kendilerini Allah ‘a Yöneltmesiyle Allah’ın Seçmesi sonucunda peygamber olunur.

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Burn Quran in Spain 07/07/2011

Imran Firasat

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07 of July 2011 I , “IMRAN FIRASAT” (A Pakistani, Ex Muslim, residing in Spain with political refugee status) will burn “QURAN” publicly in Madrid, in the memory of those innocent people who lost their lives in London Bombing which was organized by muslims who follow the violent education of Quran.

I am not copying or repeating the act of terry jones but I am supporting him by doing so and continuing the revolution which he began against the islamic ideology of terrorism which comes out of Quran.

I am totally agree with terry jones and i justify the necessity of destroying this Satanic book, but the only thing I am not agree with him is to declare a spacific day for burning the Quran. Because in my opinion everyday should be a “Quran burning day”. Everyday should be a “Draw Muhammad day” and everyday should be a “Spitting and Kicking Muhammad day”

That is because in a calender there is not any single day when there was not any massacre occured by muslims.Why do we have to protest on a particular day of the year? Do muslims kill people on a fix day of the year? no. they do violence and kill people whenever and wherever they want during the whole year.

I know we can´t burn Quran everyday because of a busy life schedule but at least in the memory of our innocent loving people whose lives were snatched by cruel islamic terrorism, we can burn it on the biggest human massacre dates which the muslims are responsible for. For example: 9/11, 11/03, 07/07, 26/11 etc. Let me justify the necessity of burning Quran:

·Quran is not a religious book which is written by the God and which teaches love, solidarity and humanity but Its a satanic creation of selfish Muhammad which he created in order to concieve his own interests. Quran is a violent novel which is not compatible to our modern world and humanity. Quran teaches hate,killing,violence,revenge,forced conversions to Islam,child abuse,torture,discrimination to women,superiority of men and elimination of all non muslimsfromthis world etc.

·Quran´s violent education convince million of muslims to embrace the way of terrorism against western countries and innocent people who are not muslims, as they consider that part of Jihad (holy war), an obligation for every muslim, ordered by Allah and Muhammad.

·The responsible of all terrorist attacks,destroy of world peace and loss of human lives is Quran.

Here we can take an example of Hitler, who was as powerful as now the Islamic terrorism is. Nobody could harm him. He was capable to conquer all what he wanted but when half of the world got together, faced him and fought him bravely, then he fell. Just like that the war which actually Mr.Bush started, we have to continue, but more agressively. As agressive as muslims are agressively eager to erase western world. Its time to get together.fighting alone in pieces is over. Now all the pieces of this puzzle have to come together and make a clear picture of strategy of fighting against islamic terrorism. No more time to think. As many minutes you will take to think, during that muslims will kill more innocent people inanycorner of the world. We need sacrifications to win this war. Sacrification of our time and will. If we are determined to clean this islamic garbage then lets do it once and for all.

Quran was burnt first time and muslims have protested and killed many foreigners in afghanistan, But i would like to mention that it has been occured a million times that muslims burnt bible. Does that mean the world´s billion of christians should start rioting on streets and calling for the blood of muslims? No. because we are not uneducated,violent and uncivilized like muslims.We believe in freedom of speech. Muslims are sensitive and get provoked on any small thing but they dont realize when they hurt and provoke people by destroying the peace of our lives. 99% of the western world live in shadow of the fear of islamic terrorism. My be one of our muslim neighbour, may beamuslim taxi driver or may be a muslim vendor will just blow all of us by saying ALLA HU AKBAR. Muslims feel insult if some one express his opinion about islam,radicalism and terrorism, but in my opinion its not insult. its freedom of opinion.

May be some of you would consider unnecessery this war against islam and would say that just let the things happen as those are going on. But you would say that because you haven´t got hurt.the onw who lose his someone loving gets hurt and feels pain.

Ask the feelings of a mother who lost her young daughter in islamic suicide bomb blast, can she forget her?

Ask the feelings of that father whose young son was murdered by muslims, can he erase the memories of his son from his mind who learned walking by holding his finger?

Ask that little innocent child whose parents were snatched by cruel muslim terrorists, can he sleep well at night? does´nt he wake up suddenly by shock at night and looking for his parents, saying “Mom Dad where are you?”

Its not easy to rebuild the life for them. They still have nightmares. Tell me something, what actually we do for those who lost their lives by islamic terrorism? Do we do something else except putting some flowers on their grave or crying for some seconds infront of their photo? Dont you hear their voice which is calling for peace? Their souls are yearning for justice, crying to see that their killers are still free. Let me tell you that their killer is not a particular person or a particular group of terrorists, but the mastermind behind their killing is “QURAN” which teaches “Jihad,Killing,Hate,Revenge and Discrimination”. This book has no right to be existed on our earth. This earth is for peaceful people and notforthe people who follow the violent and cruel education of Quran.

I invite everyone from all over the world to participate in this event because I can´t fight alone for a very long time. Someday I would be killed by muslims. Then you all have to continue this fight for saving our children´s future who would not have to be feared by muslims. your participation would make stronger our fight against terrorism.

At last I would like to leave a message for the muslims who would protest against my decision of Quran burning and would try to kill me: “torture me, kill me but more and more Imran will raise the voice and bring revolution against your muslim terror mentality, we dont afraid but we believe in justice and liberty of expression”

Imran Firasat (Madrid)

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Muslims do not have capacity to bear the truth

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In recent years we have been watching the Circus being played by the muslims around the world on the issue of Cartoons of Prophet Muhammad. Wstern media dared to publish those cartoons for what they really deserve praise and salutes from everyone who is in favour of “Freedom of Speech” and like to defend the truth. I personally think that what they did was not simply publishing some cartoons but that was an act of showing the hidden truth about Muhammad.

Muslims around the world got angry on those publications and protested, because they do not have capacity to bear the truth.

Muslims said that according to Islam it is prohibited to draw Prophet Muhammad. But my question is: Why muslims did´nt protested or burnt the western embassies when in 2004 the animation movie “The Last Prophet” was released? The reason is that in that animation movie Muhammad was showed as a great holy prophet who sacrifice for his people and religion, But there was nothing mentioned about his sex stories, slaves, 11 marriages child abuse, killing people and robbing. In short I would like to emphasize on the point that Muslims do not like if someone expose the dirty reality of Prophet Muhammad. They do not want to accept that Muhammad was not a prophet but was a Mafia who made people fool by declaring himself a prophet and spreading false messages of Allah.

Muslims all over the world rioted on the streets, burnt the western countries flags, killed some innocent people who supported the publications of those cartoons, and also burnt the European embassies. Before doing these kind of stupid acts they forgot that always in difficult humanitarian or economical situation if someone help them out, that is western world. Majority of muslim countries are completely depend economically on Europe and USA. Muslim countries owe huge loans to EU and USA, and no doubt that without the help of western world the Islamic countries could have been bankrupted and their citizens could be fighting like animals for a bread piece. But muslims do not think about all this because they were taught to not feel shame and continue the selfish senseless violence againstthewestern world.

Why muslims are permitted to hurt or insult other religions, but they do not allow anyone to even express his or her view about Islam or Muhammad? I must memorize to the muslims that:

(1) When muslims destroyed the historical statue of Budha in Afghanistan which was a big insult for Budhist religion, then even not a single muslim was killed by Budhists as a revenge, and not any Islamic embassy was attacked or burnt in the countries like China or Japan.

(2) When muslims destroyed the Hindu temples in Pakistan, then not any muslim was hurt in india by Hindus, not any mosque was attacked in India as revenge and there was not any violence against the Embassy of Pakistan in India.

(3) When Muslims burnt churches in Indonesia and killed thousand of Christians, then not any single mosque or Indonesian Embassy was attacked in the Christian countries.

(4) It’s a normal routine for the muslims to be provoked on any small thing and burn bible,western flags and kill non muslims, but the civilized western world never give them reply in the same way as we believe in humanity, freedom of speech and peace.

These are enough examples to prove that the Islam always have been a violent religion and its followers do not believe in Freedom of speech. With all my respect I would like to ask the muslims that: what is wrong with those cartoons? Was Muhammad niot a terrorist as shown in the cartoon? Was Muhammad not a women abuser as shown in the cartoon?

Getting married 11 times for his sexual satisfaction and having sex with a baby girl of six years, show that how wild he was about women, and if we talk about the terrorism then I don´t feel hesitate to say that the terrorism around the globe organized my muslims is a gift from Muhammad to our world. The violent education which he left to the muslims through Quran is a master degree in terrorism which teaches killing, hate and discrimination

I don,t know how to convince these blind faith muslims that they are following a wroing path taught by Muhammad, but I believe that with the time we can help them to come out of this Islamic hoax. At last I would like to give my support to all the media who participated in exposing Muhammad. Good Job…..Bravo

Imran Firasat

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Feel shame to be a muslim

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Let me die please, Let me die. Not because I have any serious uncurable decease or I am tired of living this life, but the reason why I want to die is “I feel shame to be a Muslim” it gives me a lot of shame when there is any news of terrorism attacks by muslims around the world.

Even I am not a terrorist but as being a muslim I feel myself the responsible for those thousand of innocent people who were killed by my Muslim community. When I mention my muslim name somewhere , I feel like everyone is looking at me with suspicious eyes and imagining that I am a suicide bomber and I will just ruin this place and their lives by blasting them. I don’t blame them for the opinion they keep about Muslims. They have more than enough strong reasons to think like that about Muslims. But my question is that what is my fault and why should I be discriminated and hated?

Sometimes i ask to myself that why I was born in a muslim family? How lucky I could be if I could be born in a Christian family, and because of great Christianity I could have been respected by people. I never liked islam but I was always forced to follow islam and be a muslim. Islam has´nt given anything to me or to this world except “Hate, Insult, Killings, Bombs and Violence”. The Muslims are killing innocent people around the world and that makes hide my face by shame.

I kindly request to the God and Jesus Christ that if I have to born again then please make me born in Christianity, because it´s better to die than being born as a Muslim, I can´t take the burden of being Muslim whole life.

Imran Firasat

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"Bush" A forgotten hero

Imran Firasat

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Was he an evil? Was he a dictator? Was he a cruel,stubborn and less intelligent man?

Was he a man who has done a big favour on our world and humanity by starting a war against Islamic terrorism?

I was never so confuse about anything as much I used to be confuse about my thinking on bush. Should I consider him a great warrior or a cunning dictator who just simply hates islam and loves oil?

Different kind of people had different opinions about Bush and their opinions always used to affect on my thinking. Someone used to say that Bush started this war for oil because Americans are greedy for oil. Someone used to say that because of the war which Bush started, many innocent people are dying everyday and for that Bush is responsible and Bush is a murderer. Someone used to say that bush has created a china wall between muslim and western world. These kind of comments and daily news in international media which used to show the deaths and violence in Iraq and Afghanistan convinced me that Bush is cruel.

But there was one of my boss who changed my thinking and who made me realize that a coin always have two faces, we should never rely on one side reality and that before we make our final opinion about something, we must look at all the angles carefully. He said to me “I accept, that many people are dying in the war, but who is killing those innocent people? Not Bush. Muslims are killing Muslims. Muslims have become suicide bombers and killing their own people. Muslims have created their own world of Jihad”. He asked me that what Bush has done wrong, just only that he took action against the cruel Islamic terrorism, and why Bush should watch silently the deaths of Americans by the hands of Muslim Jihadists?

Honestly after that I reconsidered my opinions about Bush and I found that it is completely true that what Bush has done is a great favour on all of us. He dared to tie the bell on the terrorism cat. He is the first leader of history of our planet who darely took clear actions against Islamic terrorism which started from Muhammad and since many centuries, every day, every month and every year, used to destroy the peace of our hearts.

I feel for the people who are losing their beloved in Afghanistan and Iraq, they are really poor. I feel pity with them but we should not forget that many Americans and Europeans also have been passed through the same situation as their loving people were also snatched by Islamic terrorism. In my opinion we should say thanks to Bush for his great decisions which would be proved too bright for our world´s future. Even today the world is praising Obama for capturing Osama but according my heart, all the credit should go to the Bush because he is the person who started this war to make our world a better place for living.

Imran Firasat

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