I posted a lik with others links, that included
http://islamic-replies.ucoz.co...Ahzab.htm

I accidently forgot to add the "l" at the end of it:

http://islamic-replies.ucoz.com/2/200_Verses_Ahzab.html

Now that should work

To mbplee,
I hope this article finds its way to you. I have read the symposium and unless I am wrong my idea of abrogation was not discussed at all. I believe that the Quran is replete with verses that call for violence that the entire Quran should be eradicated, but living most of my life in the Moslem world I understand very well that such an idea is impossible to achieve. As I got involved with many discussions with Islamic authority, I realized that there is a small opening in the field of abrogation that deserves to be addressed. There are different types of abrogation according to these Islamic authorities. One abrogation deals with removing the verse from the Quran but keeping its effect intact like the stoning verse which was removed by Omar Bin Khattab and he stated that the prophet approved. Another form of abrogation is by keeping the verse intact while abrogating its effect (ordinance). The third would be to remove the verse and its effect, like the verse that used to exist about those (half Moslems) who are reluctant and they should not receive any material support anymore. When I opened some discussion (very privately) with an Islamic authority the topic was how Moslems could claim that the Islam is the religion of peace, yet there are so many verses that call for violence against the other. His response was that all these verses that call for violence were needed before when Islam used force to spread its religion, but not anymore. So these verses, he said, should be placed in some historical perspective, but without removing them from the Quran. The reason for keeping them is because Allah stated in the Quran not to change the words. The summary of this discussion is that the present Quran should remain intact but with many verses effects should be abrogated. Otherwise the book will be reduced to pocket book.
To give you some examples; verse (5:3 which prescribes the penalty for stealing by cutting the hands and the limbs. It is very hard to find a Moslem country that uses this cruel penalty anymore, but without any official abrogation. You can call it abrogation by the silent majority, who simply accepted the change without raising any objection and they understood that may be such penalty was needed before with the absence of prison facilities. Modern age stopped Moslems from using An-Nahl (16:80) that tells Moslems that they can use the skin of animals to make their homes, and verse (6-97) that tells Moslems how to use the stars for finding directions in travel as both are replaced by cement and compasses. Since there are almost one billion Moslems who cannot read or understand Arabic, it would be a very dangerous act to change the Quran by by deleting these verses that call for violence, but might be acceptable to keep these verses intact while abrogating their effects. To implement this idea an official Islamic declaration ( call it a supreme Fatwa) could come out either from Al-Azhar or the international Islamic conference ( with the Azhar approval). In this manner the Quran remained intact but Moslems all over the world would be held responsible for all violent acts since the verses that support these actions have been abrogated in their effect.